Z Cars at Anfield Tonight

[Guest rome 84]

http://www.tonybarrett.merseyblogs.co.uk/2...ld_tonight.html

[Bo Benn]

See this thread. Which was closed.

[JohnnyH]

Glad that it's a minutes applause so 1 or 2 numpties can't spoil it.

[cymrococh]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N...070828-0944.htm

[Huyton_Red]

Nice gesture

 

From reading various everton and liverpool boards it seems to have gone down well with everyone

 

I hope it is the starting point in a thawing of relations with everton, it has gone a bit 'manc' between us the last few years, with the atmosphere at derbies getting worse and worse and the fans acting like idiots towards people from their own city.

 

I hope this will be the start of everyone getting a grip and getting back to what it always used to be like in derbies, rivalry yes, hatred no, leave that to the mancs and the rest of the nob eds

[johngibo YPC]

I agree Huyton. Whilst loads of boss lads who i know support Everton i will never hate them. Laugh my a*** off at them yes, but not hate.

And slightly off topic but,

"Z Cars - a tune which lets Kopites know you're in the home of the enemy and you're not welcome there."

What? its the least threatening song in the world??

Edited August 28, 2007 by johngibo YPC

[theredfella]

  Huyton_Sissoko said:

Nice gesture

 

From reading various everton and liverpool boards it seems to have gone down well with everyone

 

I hope it is the starting point in a thawing of relations with everton, it has gone a bit 'manc' between us the last few years, with the atmosphere at derbies getting worse and worse and the fans acting like idiots towards people from their own city.

 

I hope this will be the start of everyone getting a grip and getting back to what it always used to be like in derbies, rivalry yes, hatred no, leave that to the mancs and the rest of the nob eds

 

 

  johngibo YPC said:

I agree Huyton. Whilst loads of boss lads who i know support Everton i will never hate them. Laugh my a*** off at them yes, but not hate.

And slightly off topic but,

"Z Cars - a tune which lets Kopites know you're in the home of the enemy and you're not welcome there."

What? its the least threatening song in the world??

 

Well said, lads, good points.

 

As for using Z Cars, I think it's brillant. This isn't a time for rivalries, it's about solidarity.

[Kite]

Think it's a squirmingly naff idea myself - a minute's silence would have shown dutiful respect, playing another team's "tune" is taking a tragedy and dragging it down to the level of a football match. Next up, Elton John sings the tune of Z cars no doubt.

[Pam]

  Mr Kite said:

Think it's a squirmingly naff idea myself - a minute's silence would have shown dutiful respect, playing another team's "tune" is taking a tragedy and dragging it down to the level of a football match. Next up, Elton John sings the tune of Z cars no doubt.

 

a minutes silence would never have been observed - one idiot could spoil it and make us all look bad. I'm not sure about the z cars bit - i could never imagine YNWA being played at Goodison but maybe that is the point. This has been a senseless tragedy which has affected the whole city - not just the blues. What is wrong with a bit of unity to say that we all believ it is wrong to gun down an innocent boy? There is a minute's silence these days at the drop of a hat - this tribute is something different and unique to Merseyside.

[DonRafa]

  Pam said:

a minutes silence would never have been observed - one idiot could spoil it and make us all look bad. I'm not sure about the z cars bit - i could never imagine YNWA being played at Goodison but maybe that is the point. This has been a senseless tragedy which has affected the whole city - not just the blues. What is wrong with a bit of unity to say that we all believ it is wrong to gun down an innocent boy? There is a minute's silence these days at the drop of a hat - this tribute is something different and unique to Merseyside.

 

 

Agree with all that. Also, Rhys's parents are happy with the tribute, and really thats all that matters. Apparently they will be at the game tonight too.

[kop205]

  Pam said:

a minutes silence would never have been observed - one idiot could spoil it and make us all look bad. I'm not sure about the z cars bit - i could never imagine YNWA being played at Goodison but maybe that is the point. This has been a senseless tragedy which has affected the whole city - not just the blues. What is wrong with a bit of unity to say that we all believ it is wrong to gun down an innocent boy? There is a minute's silence these days at the drop of a hat - this tribute is something different and unique to Merseyside.

 

I'll gladly observe whatever tribute is decided upon, but I think it is a sorry state of affairs if the reason why a minute's applause has become popular is because people are no longer capable of observing a minute's silence.

 

In this instance, I presume it is what his parents wanted because it was done that way at Goodison too so like I said, so I've no problem with it.

 

I wouldn't like to necessarily see it become the norm for every occasion just because it is an easy way of drowning out the knobheads, but that is something to think about at another time maybe.

[DonRafa]

  kop205 said:

I'll gladly observe whatever tribute is decided upon, but I think it is a sorry state of affairs if the reason why a minute's applause has become popular is because people are no longer capable of observing a minute's silence.

 

In this instance, I presume it is what his parents wanted because it was done that way at Goodison too so like I said, so I've no problem with it.

 

I wouldn't like to necessarily see it become the norm for every occasion just because it is an easy way of drowning out the knobheads, but that is something to think about at another time maybe.

 

 

I think applause is fitting for someone so young. It just seems more appropriate than silence. Agree with your last point as well

[magneto]

Have to say, I was a little uncomfortable with the site of them making an appearance 3 days after their son was killed at Goodison park.

 

Great gesture though.

Edited August 28, 2007 by magneto

[JohnnyH]

  magneto said:

Have to say, I was a little uncomfortable with the site of them making an appearance 3 days after their son was killed at Goodison park.

 

Great gesture though.

 

 

 

Deleted. Don't want to hijak the thread.

Edited August 28, 2007 by JohnnyH

[DonRafa]

  magneto said:

Have to say, I was a little uncomfortable with the site of them making an appearance 3 days after their son was killed at Goodison park.

 

Great gesture though.

 

 

Ah well, everyone deals with grief in their own way, and you can only respect their wishes.

Edited August 28, 2007 by DonRafa

[Pam]

  kop205 said:

I'll gladly observe whatever tribute is decided upon, but I think it is a sorry state of affairs if the reason why a minute's applause has become popular is because people are no longer capable of observing a minute's silence.

 

In this instance, I presume it is what his parents wanted because it was done that way at Goodison too so like I said, so I've no problem with it.

 

I wouldn't like to necessarily see it become the norm for every occasion just because it is an easy way of drowning out the knobheads, but that is something to think about at another time maybe.

 

it is a sad state of affairs when people are unable to remain silent for a minute regardless of who it is for, however all it takes is one person noisily coming through the turnstiles from outside and a chorus of shushes from people inside the ground to disrupt a silence.

[johngibo YPC]

  DonRafa said:

Agree with all that. Also, Rhys's parents are happy with the tribute, and really thats all that matters.

 

You mean more so than what Mr Kite thinks is naff or not?

[MikeK88]

I tend to find a minutes applause more, can't think of the word - sort of moving, than a minutes silence. Ok, maybe the idea did come from some t***s in the crowd not obeying a minutes silence, but a minutes applause generally makes the the hair on my arms and neck stand up more than a minutes silence.

 

You're appreciating a life, not mourning a life. Which is what some people want. I'm pretty sure Liverpool as a city could hold a minutes silence, however as this is an 11 year old boy it is more fitting to appreciate his life, rather than mourn it.

 

As for the Z Cars, if it gives the family support then I'm all for it.

[DonRafa]

  johngibo YPC said:

You mean more so than what Mr Kite thinks is naff or not?

 

Aye. Just

[Guest Ant]

I really hope some nob ed's keep their mouth shut....

[Kite]

  johngibo YPC said:

You mean more so than what Mr Kite thinks is naff or not?

The fact that there is an observance of the tragedy is the key thing, and a good thing, but that doesn't remove the fact that using football theme tunes is playing to the press gallery and a bit naff. The kid supported Everton but the primary thing is that it was a f***ing kid that died, being an Everton supporter is totally tangential. It deserves remorse, not a theme mostly associated with team rivalry and the pomp of pre-match expectations. The fact that we are apparently now afraid of ever holding a minute's silence, especially in a case like this, is pathetic and fairly shocking really.

[jfogarty]

  Mr Kite said:

The fact that there is an observance of the tragedy is the key thing, and a good thing, but that doesn't remove the fact that using football theme tunes is playing to the press gallery and a bit naff. The kid supported Everton but the primary thing is that it was a f***ing kid that died, being an Everton supporter is totally tangential. It deserves remorse, not a theme mostly associated with team rivalry and the pomp of pre-match expectations. The fact that we are apparently now afraid of ever holding a minute's silence, especially in a case like this, is pathetic and fairly shocking really.

 

I agree.

[Guest efcrmagic]

It's not going to make us all best friends and go the derby hand in hand, hell, it'll be back to normal by the weekend but it's a nice mark of respect I'll admit from the club, I can't argue with that.

 

A warm well done to yers.

[Guest Linton]

How about a two minute applause tonight? One for Antonio Puerta as well? I'm sure some of our players is a bit affected by his death? Some of them will probably know him.

[DonRafa]

  Mr Kite said:

The fact that there is an observance of the tragedy is the key thing, and a good thing, but that doesn't remove the fact that using football theme tunes is playing to the press gallery and a bit naff. The kid supported Everton but the primary thing is that it was a f***ing kid that died, being an Everton supporter is totally tangential. It deserves remorse, not a theme mostly associated with team rivalry and the pomp of pre-match expectations. The fact that we are apparently now afraid of ever holding a minute's silence, especially in a case like this, is pathetic and fairly shocking really.

 

Who says we are? How is it a 'fact'?

 

The lad's parents are happy with the tribute, as far as I'm concerned that is all that matters.

 

Regarding a minutes silence, I reckon applause is more appropriate to celebrate the life of a little kid, and again, that is what the parent's want.

 

Also, AFAIK, minutes silences at Anfield have always been impeccably observed by our fans.