Hillsborough e-petition

[Cunny]

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H?Boro probe plea on No 10?s websiteMar 20 2007

 

by Michelle Fiddler, Liverpool Echo

 

 

A NEW e-petition in Tony Blair's in-tray is demanding a public inquiry into the Hillsborough disaster.

 

Tabled on Friday by Reds fan Richard Buxton, it has already gathered more than 600 sig-natures.

 

He said: ?Thousands of campaigners the world over, as well as the families of the victims, will not rest until the real culprits are revealed in a fresh public inquiry and then taken to task.?

 

On April 15, 1989, 96 Liverpool fans were crushed to death on the Leppings Lane terrace at Hillsborough stad-ium, Sheffield, during an FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest.

 

An inquest declared no-one responsible for their deaths and the subsequent inquiry by Lord Justice Taylor decided against prosecuting police officers or stewards but resulted in the introduction of all-seater stadia for top clubs

 

A civil prosecution for manslaughter taken by the Hillsborough families in 2000 against two senior officers failed and a judge blocked a retrial.

 

 

Since then numerous appeals for a further investig-ation have been turned down by successive governments despite claims of a cover-up.

 

 

Downing Street said that the prime minister ?takes ser-iously? those voters who make the effort to express their views on his website.

 

 

But Walton MP Peter Kilfoyle, whose constituency includes Anfield, warned that the e-petition could cause more pain for the families.

 

 

He said: ?I don't know what it would serve to do. There is a difference between having inquiry after inquiry and obtaining justice.

 

 

?The families felt that prosecutions would give them closure. My fear now is that another inquiry would only open up many of the old wounds.?

 

 

The move follows the 45,000 people ? enough to fill Anfield ? who in the month up to last week signed up to a call to give a posthumous knighthood to legendary Reds manager Bob Paisley.

 

 

That, once the ECHO had given it publicity, ended up sixth on the No 10 website, ahead of such national issues as speed cameras and the future of the Royal Navy.

 

 

Anyone wishing to support the latest e-petition should log on to http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/JusticeForThe96/

[Bao]

That's L4Lad isn't it?

 

I've read elsewhere he's just done it all of his own bat without any consultation with the Hillsborough groups. It makes people a bit wary.

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

it is him, yes

[Guest Scot]

it is him, yes

 

good grief....best ignored then

[ManxRed]

Call me cynical, but I can't help feeling he's largely doing this to give himself something heroic to talk about on his own blog.

[Kopfaithful]

good grief....best ignored then

 

the trouble you have now though - because it's in the number 10 web site, if people don't sign, it will be assumed it's because nobody gives a f*ck and not because people don't like the fella who started it or would sooner it had been done in consultation with the HJC or HFSG.

 

This is the trouble with epetitions - they take no effort for the person organising or the people signing. At least the real paper petitions required a lot of effort from the organiser and they had to get to the people. Everyone can now just click a button and it's there. Personally I'm getting worn out with them, for one reason or another I seem to be getting 2 or 3 e-petition requests a week sent to me.

[Gray - YPC]

L4 Lad is mad as a hatter, but his heart is in the right place.

 

Using this as a stick to beat him with is uncalled for and pretty pathetic IMO.

 

I've certainly signed it... every bit of publicity for the cause helps - no matter who started it!!

[Molby]

Well I already stated I'd posted but this was late the day after the story had broken and there'd been no mention of this awful attrocity and subsequent cover up. Ordinarily, I believe this incident would have been more widely discussed on here and I stick by that.

 

I have zero wish to dilute the boycott or our warranted stance on the rag in question, I just think we may need to address this issue, like the one where they were central to the Bruce Grobbelaar "investigation" or we could look like ostriches burying our heads in the sand.

 

Lest we forget, Anthony Walker's mother forgave her son's killers immediately the appalling event had taken place.

 

 

I am wary of anything like this unless I know the position of the families

 

but I signed this for the exact reason mentioned by js

[SkippyjonJones]

L4 Lad is mad as a hatter, but his heart is in the right place.

 

Using this as a stick to beat him with is uncalled for and pretty pathetic IMO.

 

I've certainly signed it... every bit of publicity for the cause helps - no matter who started it!!

 

 

totally agree

 

even nutters are right sometimes!!

[Guest Ant]

Who gives a s**** who started it, honestly?

 

Fair play to L4 Lad if he did indeed create it and I have signed it and I expect everyone else to...

[johngibo YPC]

Who gives a s**** who started it, honestly?

 

Fair play to L4 Lad if he did indeed create it and I have signed it and I expect everyone else to...

 

I think a few people would just feel better about it if the HJC or the HFSG had to be involved/consulted in some way.

But I will sign it of course, partly as js says, because i don't people to feel that we have forgotten

[Guest Scot]

L4 Lad is mad as a hatter, but his heart is in the right place.

 

Using this as a stick to beat him with is uncalled for and pretty pathetic IMO.

 

I've certainly signed it... every bit of publicity for the cause helps - no matter who started it!!

 

He cites Hillsborough in almost every post he makes, he compares the plight of Hillsborough families to minor inconveniences he suffers in his daily life. He has no credibility on this or anything else.

 

This petition is a fairly disgusting attempt to garner a bit more publicity for himself using Hillsborough as a lever. He can f*ck off.

[ManxRed]

Call me cynical, but I can't help feeling he's largely doing this to give himself something heroic to talk about on his own blog.

 

OK then, I'm cynical

[Molby]

He cites Hillsborough in almost every post he makes, he compares the plight of Hillsborough families to minor inconveniences he suffers in his daily life. He has no credibility on this or anything else.

 

This petition is a fairly disgusting attempt to garner a bit more publicity for himself using Hillsborough as a lever. He can f*ck off.

 

 

I think you may well be right

 

I personally even have an issue with some of the proclamations issued by the HJC; I often ask if there has been a consultation with the families when a particular issue is raised by them - and I never get an answer

 

I also think that in some cases, Hillsborough is becoming a cause championed by people looking for a cause

 

In no way do I wish to denigrate the HJC but I wonder sometimes, how many 19 year old kids can feel enough affinity with Hillsborough to act the way they do - makes me feel a bit uneasy sometimes

[Kahnee]

He cites Hillsborough in almost every post he makes, he compares the plight of Hillsborough families to minor inconveniences he suffers in his daily life. He has no credibility on this or anything else.

 

This petition is a fairly disgusting attempt to garner a bit more publicity for himself using Hillsborough as a lever. He can f*ck off.

 

As others have said, who started it isn't important - what matters is keeping this in the public domain and continuing to highlight the cause

 

If this has the right result, he can claim all the credit he wants. It won't matter. What will matter is the facts being re-examined.

 

This is not the time or the cause to allow personal feelings about that fantasist to colour judgements

[John am Rhein]

Call me cynical, but I can't help feeling he's largely doing this to give himself something heroic to talk about on his own blog.

 

Maybe, but it's in a good cause.

[Guest Scot]

As others have said, who started it isn't important - what matters is keeping this in the public domain and continuing to highlight the cause

 

If this has the right result, he can claim all the credit he wants. It won't matter. What will matter is the facts being re-examined.

 

This is not the time or the cause to allow personal feelings about that fantasist to colour judgements

 

It's a worthless e-petition that will achieve nothing other, Kahnee. I hate that his motivations are not sincere, makes a mockery of the entire thing. Getting publicity is not an end in and of itself.

[John am Rhein]

In no way do I wish to denigrate the HJC but I wonder sometimes, how many 19 year old kids can feel enough affinity with Hillsborough to act the way they do - makes me feel a bit uneasy sometimes

 

How else can a cause be taken up by the next generation? And if it isn't taken up by the next generation(s) then it will ultimately peter out.

[Kahnee]

It's a worthless e-petition that will achieve nothing other, Kahnee.

 

Not sure I can agree with that. If enough back it, it gets noticed, it gets talked about, and given Blair's penchant for hijacking passing bandwagon's...

 

I hate that his motivations are not sincere.

 

I understand what you mean, I'm just choosing to ignore his involvement

[Mike]

through gritted teeth i signed it.

he's a w***** though, make no mistake. the use of his own name for the petition tells you that...and like molby says, it's for the families of the deceased to start this stuff off IMO - did he run it by them? he certainly doesn't speak for them.

[Molby]

How else can a cause be taken up by the next generation? And if it isn't taken up by the next generation(s) then it will ultimately peter out.

 

no argument about that

 

but what I'm saying is that there seem to be people around who use Hillsborough to make themselves pale and interesting

 

you'll need to take my word for this...just this once - I go to enough games, aways, Europe etc to have gathered this impression and it really makes me uncomfortable because ultimately it might be counter-productive

 

but in the end, on aggregate, I'd rather this was the case than general apathy - of course I would

 

and things like the Justice chant at FA cup tie with Arsenal are fantastic; don't think I'm looking at the Kop wondering how many are sincere; I'm just making an observation

[cymrococh]

I don't think this is a cynical act on his part, misguided maybe but not cynical.

[ManxRed]

L4Lad Blog

 

Sunday, March 18, 2007

 

The Fight That Will Never Go Away

 

 

Eighteen years on from the horrendous events of Hillsborough, the people of Liverpool have made their feelings known by signing a petition on the government's website asking the prime minister to authorise a new enquiry into the disaster that claimed the lives of ninety six Liverpool supporters.

 

The feelings of supporters not only in Merseyside but across the world are ones that haven't changed one iota since 15th April 1989. The verdict retured in 1991 left many questions unanswered, which were documented in Jimmy McGovern's docudrama 'Hillsborough' in 1996.

 

As someone who has grown up in Liverpool in the shadow of the disaster (many of my relatives were on the Leppings Lane terrace on that fateful day), I know that the Hillsborough families, survivors and campaigners want the true facts to be established in a court of law and the myths about Hillsborough dispelled.

 

Even though I was very young in 1989, I've studied a lot of documents and material relating to the disaster as well as speaking to survivors and there are several questions I would liked answered:

 

Why was the gate at Leppings Lane not closed followng the crush outside the ground? Surely the FA and South Yorkshire Police didn't want any fans entering the already pack to capacity pens.

 

Secondly, why did the police deny the paramedics and firefighters access to the stadium when they had received a call for oxygen and wire cutters to be brought to Hillsborough stadium.

 

Finally why did the police insist on forcing fans back into the crush on the terrace when they knew that peoples' lives were in danger?

 

They are the three main questions I want answering and I'm sure that most Liverpool fans will agree with me on that.

 

Some people have said that after eighteen years we should just 'let it go'. To those people I ask you, what if it was your child, partner, parent, grandparent or even friend who lost their life on the Leppings Lane terrace in such tragic circumstances that people were accountable for, would you let it go? I think not.

 

The fight for justice will never go away until the facts are established and the people responsible are held accountable for their actions.

 

You can view and even sign the petition at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/JusticeForThe96

 

 

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[Kahnee]

No offence Manx, but I don't care what he's written or what his motives are. If this can be of any use to the families and friends who lost people on that day, all to the good

 

He's a t***, a fantasist and a joke, but like Mike, I signed with gritted teeth

[ManxRed]

Just thought I'd post that so people can judge for themselves.

 

I personally think he's so desperate to be 'known' that he'd do anything.

 

I would have much preferred if this petition had come from the HJC or any of the families involved rather than this self-publicising idiot. I am still thinking about whether to sign it or not.