Gerrard

[surf]

Great game today lad, but will you please cut out the feckin' diving?

That penalty was pure gamesmanship, you even checked to make sure the referee was looking.

 

How can i abuse players like Ronaldo & Robben for their diving and antics if the Liverpool Captain is doing the same thing?

[CarraLegend]

I hope he cheats every week and gets us penalties regularly doing it. Its about time we did it more and joined others doing it, I dont like it and i'd rather it was out of the game altogether but when Ronaldo and co are cheating every week winning numerous free kicks and pens then I hope we do exactly the same.

[Knox_Harrington]

I hope Gerrard does more of whatever is required to lead Liverpool Football Club to glory.

 

Haven't seen any replays so can't say whether or not he has dived but I hope he did.

[Euphrates]

I don't know if you could call it a dive. I'd say he definitely played for a penalty but I don't think he dived as such (which isn't any more honest).

 

The way I saw it the defender had his arms around Gerrard, Gerrard looked to the ref as a kind of appeal, nothing happened and so Gerrard ran forward after the corner was taken and the defender (was it Kozluk) still had his arm wrapped around Gerrard.

[Bootle Buck]

Superb performance, especially after such a pressure packed game Wednesday. He could quite easily came out and strolled it today but instead he was everywhere. When he is allowed to run all over the place like today there is no-one in the world any better. As for the diving, blame the stupid defender for doing it right in front of the ref.

[Billy Dane]

I think referees need to take a stand against defenders holding/hugging opposing players in the box. Carvhallo is one of the worst for doing this.

 

I'm not advocating diving, but I do get p^ssed off seeing the likes of Gary Neville man handling the opposition to the ground, as he did a few weeks ago, without being penalised.

[mooks]

Great game today lad, but will you please cut out the feckin' diving?

That penalty was pure gamesmanship, you even checked to make sure the referee was looking.

 

How can i abuse players like Ronaldo & Robben for their diving and antics if the Liverpool Captain is doing the same thing?

Hey surf, will you please cut out the obnoxious posts?

 

The referee was three yards away. Gerrard looked at him to protest Kozluk having his arms around him - something players do dozens of times in a game and is an attempt to ensure the referee is aware of foul play by the other side. It is hardly gamesmanship.

 

Then when Gerrard made his move to meet the ball Kozluk wrapped his arms around him and hauled him down. I'm not sure in what universe that could be called 'diving' but it's not the one that most of us inhabit.

Edited February 24, 2007 by mooks

[Mike]

Great game today lad, but will you please cut out the feckin' diving?

That penalty was pure gamesmanship, you even checked to make sure the referee was looking.

 

How can i abuse players like Ronaldo & Robben for their diving and antics if the Liverpool Captain is doing the same thing?

 

there wasn't a f***ing dive from gerrard in the game.

[surf]

If that pen had been given against us i'd be livid. Defenders usually 'hold' attackers during corners, the defender did not drag Steven down, he chose to go to the ground himself. In my book that's a dive.

[Ripley]

If that pen had been given against us i'd be livid. Defenders usually 'hold' attackers during corners, the defender did not drag Steven down, he chose to go to the ground himself. In my book that's a dive.

In which case, good.

 

Defenders usually holding attackers doesn't make it legal. Once refs start giving 5/6 penalties a game, it may stop.

[jkfelix]

If that pen had been given against us i'd be livid. Defenders usually 'hold' attackers during corners, the defender did not drag Steven down, he chose to go to the ground himself. In my book that's a dive.

 

Agreed. Ridicioulus. I don't care what Ronaldo and the rest of the cheatbags does. We don't need to lower our self to their level. Win in the right manner, or don't win at all I say. The Liverpool way?

[mooks]

If that pen had been given against us i'd be livid. Defenders usually 'hold' attackers during corners, the defender did not drag Steven down, he chose to go to the ground himself. In my book that's a dive.

So the test of whether Gerrard dived is whether you'd have been livid if the penalty was given against us?

 

My apologies, I thought you were talking out of your rear end

 

I think we'd better let Mr. Benitez know what the new test is:

Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez had little sympathy. He said: 'The second penalty was very clear, and for the first one the referee was watching, and he'd warned the lad just before not to do it.

 

'He had his arms around Steven, it was unnecessary and the referee was just there watching.'

[Archangel]

No way could I condone diving. I know it goes on, I know they usually get away with it, I know the temptation must be to play the same game but it just makes me feel that we're cheap when I see it especially against the nomark sides like the blades

 

Personally I'd like this sort of thing reviewed by a panel and retrospective action taken where diving has occurred or 'simulated'

 

Immediate 3 game ban maybe even points deducted for teams with serial divers. Probably not practical but its the way I feel

[surf]

So the test of whether Gerrard dived is whether you'd have been livid if the penalty was given against us?

 

 

Nice twisting of my words there. I'd be livid cause 99% of the time that woulnt be given.

The defender didn't drag him down, Gerrard went looking for the penalty.

[Rimbeux]

Hey surf, will you please cut out the obnoxious posts?

 

The referee was three yards away. Gerrard looked at him to protest Kozluk having his arms around him - something players do dozens of times in a game and is an attempt to ensure the referee is aware of foul play by the other side. It is hardly gamesmanship.

 

Then when Gerrard made his move to meet the ball Kozluk wrapped his arms around him and hauled him down. I'm not sure in what universe that could be called 'diving' but it's not the one that most of us inhabit.

 

 

Spot on

 

 

Great moments today, this is probably a Romario type thing. Warnock waits for Gerrard at half time, walks him down the tunnel to talk of the three pens in three halves of football that his side have conceded to Gerrard. After the break, cue Fowler in the centre circle with Gerrard, Pennant, Gonzo and Kuyt asking what it was all about. Lots of laughter all around ending with Gerrard making a big nose gesture to round the whole exchange off.

[Zoob]

If the defender is stupid enough to carry on holding Gerrard back right in front of the ref, I don't really think Gerrard can be blamed for anything.

[Barnesy_10]

here it is

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypjNsnWSBX0

[Rimbeux]

Nice twisting of my words there. I'd be livid cause 99% of the time that woulnt be given.

The defender didn't drag him down, Gerrard went looking for the penalty.

 

Why werre the defenders arms all around him, stopping his run? There has to be some advantage to the defender or he just wouldn't even try and make the foul. I hate that and shepherding the ball out with arms all over the place immensely

[stressederic]

How dumb was that defender?

[surf]

Although it might be within the laws of the game to grant a penalty, 99% of the times that stuff happens at corners and isn't given. If that had been Ronaldo we'd all be outraged.

[Rimbeux]

Although it might be within the laws of the game to grant a penalty, 99% of the times that stuff happens at corners and isn't given. If that had been Ronaldo we'd all be outraged.

 

 

No you dont talk for me. If defenders lay on hands in this manner, they should be called on it, s*** part of the game

[Kite]

Although it might be within the laws of the game to grant a penalty, 99% of the times that stuff happens at corners and isn't given. If that had been Ronaldo we'd all be outraged.

er, no. You're on your own here completely. Both were clear penalties. Both were handled very well by the ref.

 

World of difference between being impeded in your path to the ball and showing it, and just dropping - or launching yourself - to the ground when you've lost the ball. The former is intelligent play, the latter disreputable. Gerrard was being intelligent today in both the penalty situations.

[DaveLFC]

Of course it was a penalty, Gerrard is standing with both arms stretched out, when he runs and goes down the defender still has his arm around him. If it was a dive then surely the defenders arm would not be near Gerrard.

 

Try it, watch the video yourself. The only way the defenders arm would stay around Gerrard is if he was wrapping it around him to stop him.

 

That's a penalty.

 

And for the record, I hate any penalty given against us no matter what the circumstances.

[Jimi Rojo]

It was a penalty following the laws of the game / the ref was watching and the defender was dumb enough to do it anyway. It was not a dive, it was Gerrard taking advantage of a dumb player and also the rules of the game.

 

What's the problem?

[DonRafa]

Agreed. Ridicioulus. I don't care what Ronaldo and the rest of the cheatbags does. We don't need to lower our self to their level. Win in the right manner, or don't win at all I say. The Liverpool way?

 

What a complete load of pure b0ll0cks

 

 

 

Although it might be within the laws of the game to grant a penalty, 99% of the times that stuff happens at corners and isn't given. If that had been Ronaldo we'd all be outraged.

 

Well, its about time it was penalised then, is'nt it? We're not playing fecin rugby here.