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[Guest L4 Lad]

posted on RAOTL:

Why The Toffees Leave A Bitter Taste In The Mouth

 

Saturday's 205th Merseyside derby left a lot to be desired on both sides of Stanley Park and almost all of it was off the pitch events.

 

Before the game, a large white banner was unveiled reading, "One City, One Club, One Name - LIVERPOOL". The banner was created by Reclaim The Kop, an initiative set up by Liverpool supporters as part of a re-education campaign to bring back the atmosphere experienced virtually every other week at Anfield before the old Kop terrace was demolished.

 

The banner generated a lot of anger from the Everton supporters residing in the lower Anfield Road end for the game. However the Evertonians were far from saintly themselves with a banner being passed round that read, "Stevie G - who's the daddy" - referring to a rumour circulating Merseyside about Gerrard's family. The distasteful banner was followed with chants along the same lines.

 

By comparison to last year's fixture between the two, this derby was not as ill-tempered on the pitch. However the exchange of chants between both sets of fans wasn't a great advertisement for football on Merseyside.

 

The Kop belted out good-humoured references to Everton's impending move to Kirkby and their link to supermarket giant Tesco. However as the Reds fans retalliated to Everton chants of "Kopites are g*******s" with a current favourite, "where's your European Cups?" the travelling fans replied, "if it hadn't been for Heysel" which seems to be a ringing endorsement for Everton's failure to build on the success of the 1985 League and European Cup Winners Cup double. Some Everton supporters also held up copies of The Sun newspaper and made crushing motion gestures, clearly in reference to the Hillsborough disaster where 96 Liverpool supporters died in the Leppings Lane terrace.

 

While both sides weren't exactly innocent, there seems to be an unmistakeable dislike of Evertonians of all thing Liverpool. Not much of a surprise you might think considering that they're local rivals but it extends far beyond that fact.

 

To understand this you have to jump into your DeLorean, fire up the flux capacitor and travel back in time to Wednesday 29th May 1985 - the night of the European Cup final in Heyel Stadium, Brussels.

 

There were clashes between both Liverpool and Juventus supporters which lead to the collapse of a dilapidated wall in Block Z of the stadium. The Italian supporters trying to escape from the collapsed wall were all crushed together by the under-estimating and severerly reduced Belgian police. The 39 supporters trying to escape from Block Z died of suffocation but in the eyse of UEFA and the British government, the blame lay with Liverpool and its supporters because of the nil death count. UEFA banned all English clubs for competing in European competitions for 5 years with Liverpool banned until 1991 for their involvement in the disaster. Although the case has been deliberated on many an occasion, the general conclusion is and has always been that the stadium wasn't fit to stage lower leagues game in, let alone the European Cup final.

 

The repercussions of the Heysel disaster were far reaching for all clubs in the English top flight as those who finished in the European qualifying spots went into a one-off competition called the Screen Sports Super Cup which was a cheap alternative.

 

In 1985, Everton had won the League Championship and European Cup Winners Cup but missed out on the FA Cup, losing to a Bryan Robson-inspired Manchester United at Wembley. As reigning champions, Everton would have competed in the European Cup the following season however the ban on all English clubs after Heysel put paid to that. Not long after, Everton's heroes from Rotterdam moved on to pastures new. Andy Gray left and eventually went into punditry, Gary Lineker followed suit but not before brief stints at Barcelona and Tottenham Hotspur whilst manager Howard Kendall joined Athletico Bilbao following a big money offer from the Basque club.

 

When English clubs were allowed back into European club competitions, Everton's side of league champions was virtually non-existent at Goodison Park as they'd all moved on and weren't suitably replaced. In the 1990s, the lewd misconception spread by a minority group that Liverpool had prevented Everton from achieving the pinnacle of European football extended beyond the odd irate Evertonian and became a mass slandering exercise. The Everton supporters website Blue Kipper is testament to that point.

 

Throughout the nineties Everton battled relegation and mid-table mediocrity. It was pretty much the same story into the 2000s for a few years until David Moyes was drafted in as manager but they're still battling mediocrity.

 

After the derby, Rafael Benitez described Everton as a "small club". That can be taken in one of two ways. It can be taken, as most people have, that Everton are a club of small stature and have not achieved anything of notable effort or it could be in reference to Everton's current first team squad which is minimal to say the least.

 

Despite these comments, the current generation of Evertonians are brought up on this belief instilled in them from a very young age that Liverpool are to blame for their demise. The truth is that although Everton were fairly successful in the 1980s, it was only a brief phase of success because if Heysel hadn't happened, I can't honestly see Everton in the Champions League group stages, can you?

[Mike]

go away you t**.

[Earl Hafler]

Harsh and fair.

[Benzo-13]

posted on RAOTL:

Why The Toffees Leave A Bitter Taste In The Mouth

 

Saturday's 205th Merseyside derby left a lot to be desired on both sides of Stanley Park and almost all of it was off the pitch events.

 

Before the game, a large white banner was unveiled reading, "One City, One Club, One Name - LIVERPOOL". The banner was created by Reclaim The Kop, an initiative set up by Liverpool supporters as part of a re-education campaign to bring back the atmosphere experienced virtually every other week at Anfield before the old Kop terrace was demolished.

 

The banner generated a lot of anger from the Everton supporters residing in the lower Anfield Road end for the game. However the Evertonians were far from saintly themselves with a banner being passed round that read, "Stevie G - who's the daddy" - referring to a rumour circulating Merseyside about Gerrard's family. The distasteful banner was followed with chants along the same lines.

 

By comparison to last year's fixture between the two, this derby was not as ill-tempered on the pitch. However the exchange of chants between both sets of fans wasn't a great advertisement for football on Merseyside.

 

The Kop belted out good-humoured references to Everton's impending move to Kirkby and their link to supermarket giant Tesco. However as the Reds fans retalliated to Everton chants of "Kopites are g*******s" with a current favourite, "where's your European Cups?" the travelling fans replied, "if it hadn't been for Heysel" which seems to be a ringing endorsement for Everton's failure to build on the success of the 1985 League and European Cup Winners Cup double. Some Everton supporters also held up copies of The Sun newspaper and made crushing motion gestures, clearly in reference to the Hillsborough disaster where 96 Liverpool supporters died in the Leppings Lane terrace.

 

While both sides weren't exactly innocent, there seems to be an unmistakeable dislike of Evertonians of all thing Liverpool. Not much of a surprise you might think considering that they're local rivals but it extends far beyond that fact.

 

To understand this you have to jump into your DeLorean, fire up the flux capacitor and travel back in time to Wednesday 29th May 1985 - the night of the European Cup final in Heyel Stadium, Brussels.

 

There were clashes between both Liverpool and Juventus supporters which lead to the collapse of a dilapidated wall in Block Z of the stadium. The Italian supporters trying to escape from the collapsed wall were all crushed together by the under-estimating and severerly reduced Belgian police. The 39 supporters trying to escape from Block Z died of suffocation but in the eyse of UEFA and the British government, the blame lay with Liverpool and its supporters because of the nil death count. UEFA banned all English clubs for competing in European competitions for 5 years with Liverpool banned until 1991 for their involvement in the disaster. Although the case has been deliberated on many an occasion, the general conclusion is and has always been that the stadium wasn't fit to stage lower leagues game in, let alone the European Cup final.

 

The repercussions of the Heysel disaster were far reaching for all clubs in the English top flight as those who finished in the European qualifying spots went into a one-off competition called the Screen Sports Super Cup which was a cheap alternative.

 

In 1985, Everton had won the League Championship and European Cup Winners Cup but missed out on the FA Cup, losing to a Bryan Robson-inspired Manchester United at Wembley. As reigning champions, Everton would have competed in the European Cup the following season however the ban on all English clubs after Heysel put paid to that. Not long after, Everton's heroes from Rotterdam moved on to pastures new. Andy Gray left and eventually went into punditry, Gary Lineker followed suit but not before brief stints at Barcelona and Tottenham Hotspur whilst manager Howard Kendall joined Athletico Bilbao following a big money offer from the Basque club.

 

When English clubs were allowed back into European club competitions, Everton's side of league champions was virtually non-existent at Goodison Park as they'd all moved on and weren't suitably replaced. In the 1990s, the lewd misconception spread by a minority group that Liverpool had prevented Everton from achieving the pinnacle of European football extended beyond the odd irate Evertonian and became a mass slandering exercise. The Everton supporters website Blue Kipper is testament to that point.

 

Throughout the nineties Everton battled relegation and mid-table mediocrity. It was pretty much the same story into the 2000s for a few years until David Moyes was drafted in as manager but they're still battling mediocrity.

 

After the derby, Rafael Benitez described Everton as a "small club". That can be taken in one of two ways. It can be taken, as most people have, that Everton are a club of small stature and have not achieved anything of notable effort or it could be in reference to Everton's current first team squad which is minimal to say the least.

 

Despite these comments, the current generation of Evertonians are brought up on this belief instilled in them from a very young age that Liverpool are to blame for their demise. The truth is that although Everton were fairly successful in the 1980s, it was only a brief phase of success because if Heysel hadn't happened, I can't honestly see Everton in the Champions League group stages, can you?

 

I dunno. You can't say what "if's" in football.

Same as saying "what if?" Kendall got his tactics wrong v AC Milan or Porto then they'd have won nowt.

 

I remember those days in 84/85/86 fondly as a lot of my mates in school supported Everton and even though I was in Goodison as a kid draped in a Liverpool FC hat/scarf I didn't get my head kicked in and got a fair bit of banter (I was only 9 and brought over by my football club) thrown at me which was humorous more than nasty..

 

I think the Evertonian's should look to Colin Harvey and Thatcher for their predictament not us.

 

Then again.. Isn't that why they're bitter?

[Boca]

I was sitting in MX on Saturday and heard the chants about justice for the 39 and Gerrard from the Everton end, but I saw no one waving copies of the s*n or crushing motions like that piece suggests.

[johngibo YPC]

who wrote that 'interesting article posted on RAOTL' i wonder.

Its garbage

[RP]

I was sitting in MX on Saturday and heard the chants about justice for the 39 and Gerrard from the Everton end, but I saw no one waving copies of the s*n or crushing motions like that piece suggests.

 

Never seen them reading the rag, but have seen them making out they're being crushed every time we have played them.

[Boca]

Never seen them reading the rag, but have seen them making out they're being crushed every time we have played them.

 

Fair enough, but I definitely didn't spot that on Saturday. f***ing disgusting that they stoop so low though.

[Bigal]

Never seen them reading the rag, but have seen them making out they're being crushed every time we have played them.

 

my mate was sat in the anny road, next to them and said loads had copies of the s*n

[jon_hall]

Fair enough, but I definitely didn't spot that on Saturday. f***ing disgusting that they stoop so low though.

 

I could see them doing the crushing movements and i'm right the other end of the centenary.

[Boca]

I could see them doing the crushing movements and i'm right the other end of the centenary.

 

Don't know how I missed that

 

As I said it's disgusting.

Edited February 8, 2007 by Boca

[Guest]

You find c nuts everywhere

 

but being a c nut and bitter with no moral principles is surely the lowest of the low

[The Hitman]

And what about the t**t in the Main Stand,doing aeroplane wings with his arms everytime Neville and Howard went near him?

Doesn't mean I'd do the same.

[Guest L4 Lad]

why should we be accountable for the occasional d*ckhead at the match? i agree some of our fans aren't saintly but everton's are just vicious in their antics

[Bigal]

why should we be accountable for the occasional d*ckhead at the match? i agree some of our fans aren't saintly but everton's are just vicious in their antics

 

everyone claims minority though. I went to goodison park last year and they were all doing it then.

 

I was called a f***ing murdering c*** on my way out of the game on saturday by a charming fellow. Who no doubt was a "minority"

[The Hitman]

why should we be accountable for the occasional d*ckhead at the match? i agree some of our fans aren't saintly but everton's are just vicious in their antics

a

I've read on several occasions,on here,that our away fans aren't exactly saintly with some of their songs and behaviour. (e.g.young scallies singing racist songs).It has also been said that they weren't exactly a minority either.

Having never been to an away game at Goodison,however,I wouldn't know what they're like en masse.

[Guest L4 Lad]

bigal the point the article was tryin to make is that the twisted chants sung by everton fans isn't in a minority. i know some of our fans aren't saints as i stated before but by comparison to their fans they're squeaky clean

[Bigal]

bigal the point the article was tryin to make is that the twisted chants sung by everton fans isn't in a minority. i know some of our fans aren't saints as i stated before but by comparison to their fans they're squeaky clean

 

the thing is, thats based on opinion isnt it? especially with sound, 20 blokes shouting make more sound that 40 men asking them to be quiet doesnt it?

[Guest L4 Lad]

i've found that if people start shouting at the match they get shouted down.

 

my arl fella keeps singing the munich chants and i shout him down every time. i do hate the mancs but that's just sick

[Bigal]

i've found that if people start shouting at the match they get shouted down.

 

my arl fella keeps singing the munich chants and i shout him down every time. i do hate the mancs but that's just sick

 

I heard a few other chants when Smith broke his leg, but they were drowned out.

 

However, some people dont like confrontation so say nothing and then it sounds like everyone is singing.

[Behind Enemy Lines]

And what about the t**t in the Main Stand,doing aeroplane wings with his arms everytime Neville and Howard went near him?

Doesn't mean I'd do the same.

Do you mean in the paddock? towards the Anny Rd end?

if so, yes, saw that pillock, kind of hoped he was going to get thrown out.

A copper did have a word with one guy in that section, presumably for shouting something unsuitable, but that guy got away with it.

[The Hitman]

Do you mean in the paddock? towards the Anny Rd end?

if so, yes, saw that pillock, kind of hoped he was going to get thrown out.

A copper did have a word with one guy in that section, presumably for shouting something unsuitable, but that guy got away with it.

That's the one.

The thing was,he was all on his own doing it,the t***.

It may have meant something to Neville,but did he think Howard gave a rats?

I saw him doing it,and I was right over the other side of the Anny Road.

[badtodabone]

The Kop belted out good-humoured references to Everton's impending move to Kirkby and their link to supermarket giant Tesco. However as the Reds fans retalliated to Everton chants of "Kopites are g*******s" with a current favourite, "where's your European Cups?" the travelling fans replied, "if it hadn't been for Heysel" which seems to be a ringing endorsement for Everton's failure to build on the success of the 1985 League and European Cup Winners Cup double. Some Everton supporters also held up copies of The Sun newspaper and made crushing motion gestures, clearly in reference to the Hillsborough disaster where 96 Liverpool supporters died in the Leppings Lane terrace.

 

first ive heard of this is it true?

Edited February 8, 2007 by badtodabone

[Jeff guitar]

The Kop belted out good-humoured references to Everton's impending move to Kirkby and their link to supermarket giant Tesco. However as the Reds fans retalliated to Everton chants of "Kopites are g*******s" with a current favourite, "where's your European Cups?" the travelling fans replied, "if it hadn't been for Heysel" which seems to be a ringing endorsement for Everton's failure to build on the success of the 1985 League and European Cup Winners Cup double. Some Everton supporters also held up copies of The Sun newspaper and made crushing motion gestures, clearly in reference to the Hillsborough disaster where 96 Liverpool supporters died in the Leppings Lane terrace.

 

first ive heard of this is it true?

 

My mate came into the ground saying that he saw half a dozen blueslimes heading to the ground holding them aloft like trophies. w*****s. Cant say i saw any inside the ground. They have been doing the crushing motion thing for a number of visits now.

Edited February 9, 2007 by Jeff guitar