David Mannix

[Kahnee]

Has had his contract terminated by mutual consent.

 

Thought he was supposed to be a bright prospect?

[Mike]

he was...incredibly unfortunate with injury.

[Guest spk]

another academy kiddy that doesnt make the seniors. if i was that hamilton kiddy i'd be looking to go elsewhere. i cant wait for heighway to leave and rafa to take over the academy

[Kahnee]

he was...incredibly unfortunate with injury.

Only one? That's damned unfortunate

[Mike]

incredibly unfortunate with ian dury.

[Rimbeux]

another academy kiddy that doesnt make the seniors. if i was that hamilton kiddy i'd be looking to go elsewhere. i cant wait for heighway to leave and rafa to take over the academy

 

 

I'm not so sure you can add all four of these guys together and come to those outcomes

[R A Softlad]

incredibly unfortunate with ian dury.

 

Block head...

[Guest spk]

I'm not so sure you can add all four of these guys together and come to those outcomes

 

so apart from mellor and warnock's brief spell in the first team we've seem nothing from the academy since carragher/gerrard. whatever they're doing, regardles of winning junior cups, they aren't producing us senior players. if that isn't a "fail", and ignoring the romantic "giving something back to the community" angle, tell me exactly what the objective of the acedmy is?

[Mike]

you could say that about any team.

name me one product of man ures arsenals or chelseas academy currently playing for them?

[Kahnee]

so apart from mellor and warnock's brief spell in the first team we've seem nothing from the academy since carragher/gerrard. whatever they're doing, regardles of winning junior cups, they aren't producing us senior players. if that isn't a "fail", and ignoring the romantic "giving something back to the community" angle, tell me exactly what the objective of the acedmy is?

 

And how many other clubs have produced several world beaters? Arsenal's bright yound things are currently plying their trade at Blackburn and Sunderland. Man U loaned their Next Big Thing to Newcastle. Spurs have a host of prospective Brit talent, but they're all bought .

Recently, only Boro (Downing and Porritt) and Southampton (Bale and Walcott) have produced a player considered capable of holding down a Premiership place.

Young talent doesn't grow on trees

[Falconhoof]

so apart from mellor and warnock's brief spell in the first team we've seem nothing from the academy since carragher/gerrard. whatever they're doing, regardles of winning junior cups, they aren't producing us senior players. if that isn't a "fail", and ignoring the romantic "giving something back to the community" angle, tell me exactly what the objective of the acedmy is?

 

Neither Arsenal, Man U or Chelsea have seen any players come through from their 'academy' to the first team.

 

Arsenal have exploited a different strategy, bringing young players into the reserve/1st team squad. Sometimes they've spent a lot of money, Walcott, Denilson and sometimes they've nicked players.

 

Thats what we're trying to follow now.

[CarraLegend]

Amazes me how some (One in here) think we should just be able to click our fingers or look in the local park and another Gerrard appears.

[Mike]

george michael does.

[Kahnee]

george michael does.

 

Yeah, but have you seen his drugs bill? Those kind of hallucinations ain't cheap

[CarraLegend]

george michael does.

[Guest spk]

i'd expect more than two every ten years. southampton seem to be on a nice run of them turning up atm, as do a few other smalled clubs. arsenal is a por example as they blood their kids in the first team and give them a chance. for me heighway isnt up to it and i think its probably also a clue as to the quality of relationship he and rafa have

[Kahnee]

i'd expect more than two every ten years. southampton seem to be on a nice run of them turning up atm

 

That'll be two in how many years?

[alli]

i'd expect more than two every ten years. southampton seem to be on a nice run of them turning up atm, as do a few other smalled clubs. arsenal is a por example as they blood their kids in the first team and give them a chance. for me heighway isnt up to it and i think its probably also a clue as to the quality of relationship he and rafa have

 

Yeah, but didn't we sign S'otons head youth-scout last summer ? Malcolm Elias i think, anyone ?

[Foo]

Amazes me how some (One in here) think we should just be able to click our fingers or look in the local park and another Gerrard appears.

 

 

Have any Liverpool scouts gone to Stanley Park a Sunday afternoon and snapped their fingers? It could work!

[Rimbeux]

so apart from mellor and warnock's brief spell in the first team we've seem nothing from the academy since carragher/gerrard. whatever they're doing, regardles of winning junior cups, they aren't producing us senior players. if that isn't a "fail", and ignoring the romantic "giving something back to the community" angle, tell me exactly what the objective of the acedmy is?

 

The system is the issue. Ever since the academy system was introduced, every club has faced the same problems, and players who would come through in any era, because of pure natural ability, the Bales, Rooneys and Walcotts, are treated as superstars at 17 and are subject to £10 plus bids such is their rarity.

 

The likes of Carra, Nevilles and their generation, the last before the academy system was put in place, played against older professionals and semi pros in reserve and A team football from an early age, they were able to push the ability they had past where it might have got them because of a tough school. At 19, they didn't have the huge gap between youth and adult football to try and bridge, a gap that only the most talented seem to make in decent time these days. I have real doubts the the likes of Carra and Gary Neville would have had the same career coming up through the present academy system, doubts that they'd still be at a Liverpool or ManU at 22.

 

The system dictates that they play just age group games, the system dictates that they must live within spit of the club, the system is what is not working. Yes Heighway was involved in drawing up the FA academy regualtions, but him going wont change the whole FA system, although it may mean more going around recruitment regs.

 

Wenger and Brady have moved kids from all over the world so as only to have the most talented in their school, they have poached 16yr olds not on pro terms, they have paid money to other clubs to take on young players and give them real football in their teens, all in contravention of the spirit of the regulations if not ever breaking them. We are now doing the same, as are Man U, Chelsea, Spurs and others. We'll now see if it works.

[CarraLegend]

Have any Liverpool scouts gone to Stanley Park a Sunday afternoon and snapped their fingers? It could work!

 

I'm gonna go for it then become an agent and sell the players off. You can have a cut for the idea

[Will]

so apart from mellor and warnock's brief spell in the first team we've seem nothing from the academy since carragher/gerrard.

Guthrie

Peltier

Welsh

Raven

Smyth

etc

[Cobs]

Guthrie

Peltier

Welsh

Raven

Smyth

etc

 

exactly

[Maldini]

Has had his contract terminated by mutual consent.

 

Thought he was supposed to be a bright prospect?

He was when he was 15, mades his reserves debut at that age I think. Not long after that he got a really bad injury and spent pretty much the next three years without playing much football because of a succession of injuries. I don't think anyone expected him to make it in recent years.

 

so apart from mellor and warnock's brief spell in the first team we've seem nothing from the academy since carragher/gerrard. whatever they're doing, regardles of winning junior cups, they aren't producing us senior players. if that isn't a "fail", and ignoring the romantic "giving something back to the community" angle, tell me exactly what the objective of the acedmy is?

Heighway is leaving in the summer.

 

And how many other clubs have produced several world beaters? Arsenal's bright yound things are currently plying their trade at Blackburn and Sunderland. Man U loaned their Next Big Thing to Newcastle. Spurs have a host of prospective Brit talent, but they're all bought .

Recently, only Boro (Downing and Porritt) and Southampton (Bale and Walcott) have produced a player considered capable of holding down a Premiership place.

Young talent doesn't grow on trees

 

Dunno about that, City have produced SWP, Richards, Ireland, Onuoha and they've 3 or 4 more who'll almost certainly make the grade over the next year or two.

 

Middlesborough have Tony McMahon, James Morrison and Lee Cattermole as well as the ones you mentioned.

 

West Ham, Southampton, Villa and Ipswich have all produced a number of players in recent years too.

 

While you might argue that none of the above are world beaters, most of them would be good enough to fill a spot in the squad and save us a few million in fees and wages. Our academy hasn't produced enough in recent years.

Edited January 24, 2007 by Maldini

[Guest spk]

Guthrie

Peltier

Welsh

Raven

Smyth

etc

 

all flirted with the bench... where are they now?