just watched highlights of the game on rte

[Snookie]

RTE's coverage largely concentrated on just how good Liverpool were. The contrast that John Giles and Graham Souness drew between Liverpool and Chelsea summed this up and showed just how different they are from the Sky group of analysts . Gile's comment "You cant buy tradition" when discussing Chelsea's troubles summed up perfectly the difference between the two clubs but also illustrated a fundamental difference between the two stations approach. I cant on any level imagine Keys, Gray etc. making such an observation, because it involves analysing football in a completely different, and much deeper way. Sky's coverage is essentially driven by the back pages of the tabloid newspapers. The story today on Sky was about the 'problems' at Chelsea. It was utterly superficial. RTE focused on the quality of Liverpool's play. Their coverage seems to be motivated by a genuine love for the game and trying to tell the real story of the game.

 

Souness is a really excellent analyst when he appears on RTE. One thing shines through; his obvious love for the club. He's that passionate you begin to start forgiving him for his time as our manager. That will obviously take a long time but...

[Benitez]

I can never take Souness seriously the few times I've seen him doing punditry over here. It's just when he talks about tactics, I wonder why he could never put them into practise when he was a manager

[dorgie]

RTE's coverage largely concentrated on just how good Liverpool were. The contrast that John Giles and Graham Souness drew between Liverpool and Chelsea summed this up and showed just how different they are from the Sky group of analysts . Gile's comment "You cant buy tradition" when discussing Chelsea's troubles summed up perfectly the difference between the two clubs but also illustrated a fundamental difference between the two stations approach. I cant on any level imagine Keys, Gray etc. making such an observation, because it involves analysing football in a completely different, and much deeper way. Sky's coverage is essentially driven by the back pages of the tabloid newspapers. The story today on Sky was about the 'problems' at Chelsea. It was utterly superficial. RTE focused on the quality of Liverpool's play. Their coverage seems to be motivated by a genuine love for the game and trying to tell the real story of the game.

 

Souness is a really excellent analyst when he appears on RTE. One thing shines through; his obvious love for the club. He's that passionate you begin to start forgiving him for his time as our manager. That will obviously take a long time but...

 

Good points. SKY's main motiviation today was that there be a title race this season to keep viewing figures up for the remainder of the season. Chelsea losing didn't support that motive.

[Guy_Incognito]

RTE's coverage largely concentrated on just how good Liverpool were. The contrast that John Giles and Graham Souness drew between Liverpool and Chelsea summed this up and showed just how different they are from the Sky group of analysts . Gile's comment "You cant buy tradition" when discussing Chelsea's troubles summed up perfectly the difference between the two clubs but also illustrated a fundamental difference between the two stations approach. I cant on any level imagine Keys, Gray etc. making such an observation, because it involves analysing football in a completely different, and much deeper way. Sky's coverage is essentially driven by the back pages of the tabloid newspapers. The story today on Sky was about the 'problems' at Chelsea. It was utterly superficial. RTE focused on the quality of Liverpool's play. Their coverage seems to be motivated by a genuine love for the game and trying to tell the real story of the game.

 

Souness is a really excellent analyst when he appears on RTE. One thing shines through; his obvious love for the club. He's that passionate you begin to start forgiving him for his time as our manager. That will obviously take a long time but...

 

Without meaning to take this thread on a tangent immediately, I can easily forgive Souness for his time as a manager here, but it was his dealings with that rag that will take a bit longer to forgive

[Guest RedLegend]

RTE's coverage largely concentrated on just how good Liverpool were. The contrast that John Giles and Graham Souness drew between Liverpool and Chelsea summed this up and showed just how different they are from the Sky group of analysts . Gile's comment "You cant buy tradition" when discussing Chelsea's troubles summed up perfectly the difference between the two clubs but also illustrated a fundamental difference between the two stations approach. I cant on any level imagine Keys, Gray etc. making such an observation, because it involves analysing football in a completely different, and much deeper way. Sky's coverage is essentially driven by the back pages of the tabloid newspapers. The story today on Sky was about the 'problems' at Chelsea. It was utterly superficial. RTE focused on the quality of Liverpool's play. Their coverage seems to be motivated by a genuine love for the game and trying to tell the real story of the game.

 

Souness is a really excellent analyst when he appears on RTE. One thing shines through; his obvious love for the club. He's that passionate you begin to start forgiving him for his time as our manager. That will obviously take a long time but...

 

I missed it.

 

I'm ragin.

[Benzo-13]

RTE's coverage largely concentrated on just how good Liverpool were. The contrast that John Giles and Graham Souness drew between Liverpool and Chelsea summed this up and showed just how different they are from the Sky group of analysts . Gile's comment "You cant buy tradition" when discussing Chelsea's troubles summed up perfectly the difference between the two clubs but also illustrated a fundamental difference between the two stations approach. I cant on any level imagine Keys, Gray etc. making such an observation, because it involves analysing football in a completely different, and much deeper way. Sky's coverage is essentially driven by the back pages of the tabloid newspapers. The story today on Sky was about the 'problems' at Chelsea. It was utterly superficial. RTE focused on the quality of Liverpool's play. Their coverage seems to be motivated by a genuine love for the game and trying to tell the real story of the game.

 

Souness is a really excellent analyst when he appears on RTE. One thing shines through; his obvious love for the club. He's that passionate you begin to start forgiving him for his time as our manager. That will obviously take a long time but...

 

I watched it.

Souness had his red hat on for sure. Was a real dissection of the Chelsea "myth" I thought..

Edited January 20, 2007 by Benzo-13

[chrisbonnie]

ive said it before, and ill say it again, RTE`s football punditry is arguably the ebst in the english speaking world, each pundit is allowed to actual say his piece, instead of having a predetermined script

 

and i agree with forgiving souness, plus, to this day i have his autograph up on my wall from when i sent him a get well card in 1992(i was 9, and you certainly cant buy that tradition, sending a kid back a thank you card for sending a get well card, god i love this club!! )

[Snookie]

Without meaning to take this thread on a tangent immediately, I can easily forgive Souness for his time as a manager here, but it was his dealings with that rag that will take a bit longer to forgive

 

I know exactly what you mean but I could never have imagined having anything positive to say about him since he stopped playing for us. He's been an a*** most of the time who has dragged his reputation and the greatness that he was associated with through the mire. But the bottom line is he actually has more to say about football, and does so in a more articulate way, than just about any analyst I have seen on the BBC, ITV or Sky

[Maldini]

Yeah, he is pretty good on RTE, he seems comfortable there. Probably because he's allowed to say what he wants and not just fill the gaps between Richard Keys' orations.

 

I don't always agree with RTE's pundits, but at least you know they're measured opinions, they've thought about it and aren't just going along with the crowd (although Dunphy does the odd time)

[Mike]

long since forgiven souness.

[Ostrich Man]

when giles, brady and dunphy are in full flow theyre just a joy to watch...even if you completely disagree with them

[Guest RedLegend]

Was strange to listen to the Times podcast with Danny Kelly, G Marcotti and G Balague a few weeks ago.

 

Kelly said that the RTE analysis was unlike any other (in a good way) but Marcotti had a few digs at the RTE coverage basically slamming Giles and Dunphy for being has-beens and never-was'.

[Maldini]

He may be right on Dunphy but wasn't Giles one of the best players of his generation? Besides, what did Marcotti do in the game?

[Guest Verbal]

We weren't that good today. I don't remember that many occassions where we strung four or five passes today. We had a gameplan today to play direct football and it worked a treat. It wasn't pretty to watch but it worked and that's all we could have asked for.

 

If we could have raised the tempo a bit more and pushed on another gear I think there was more goals in the game for us. I also would have brought Bellamy on earlier too.

 

s*** game but a very important result for us. It's all about results from here on in.

[Guest Linton]

You cant buy tradition??? Yes, we have a tradition of winning more trophies but I just hate when LFC-fans say that Chelsea have no history. They have history and they also have some good supporters who are as genuine as ours. Yes, they have many crap fans but at least give the die hards at their club (they have some seriously) some respect. We are a bigger club and with a more glorious history but some of them was there before Roman. Not all of them are idiots. I'm a bit drunk and so glad we won today that I feel it necessary to give them some slack. Peace, love and all that Ballacks.

[Guest RedLegend]

Besides, what did Marcotti do in the game?

 

Ate a few footballs judging by the size of the f*****.

[Snookie]

wasn't Giles one of the best players of his generation?

 

Undoubtedly. He had the rare ability to dictate the pace of a game. He was an intelligent footballer. And he was one of the best passers of a ball i have seen in the English game. The nearest modern equivalent i can think of is Xabi except Giles had a nastiness about him that few modern players can even understand. It was always about winning and whatever was required he did.

[Chili Palmer]

Does Ray Houghton still do RTE? sad to say about a ex Liverpool player but that man knows absolutly nothing.

[Scally Bob]

You cant buy tradition??? Yes, we have a tradition of winning more trophies but I just hate when LFC-fans say that Chelsea have no history. They have history and they also have some good supporters who are as genuine as ours. Yes, they have many crap fans but at least give the die hards at their club (they have some seriously) some respect. We are a bigger club and with a more glorious history but some of them was there before Roman. Not all of them are idiots. I'm a bit drunk and so glad we won today that I feel it necessary to give them some slack. Peace, love and all that Ballacks.

That sounds like it was written by someone who never visited Stamford Bridge when those die-hards used to go. I have always intensely disliked Chelsea, even when there was never even the remotest danger they would win anything. If it hadn't been for Abramovich they would be were Leeds are now and I for one would celebrate that. Since getting all this money they have behaved like that Chav who won the lottery. They are graceless in defeat, the press is scared to criticise them and they play turgid football despite all their largesse in the transfer market.

 

And Peter Kenyon.

[Snookie]

You cant buy tradition??? Yes, we have a tradition of winning more trophies but I just hate when LFC-fans say that Chelsea have no history. They have history and they also have some good supporters who are as genuine as ours. Yes, they have many crap fans but at least give the die hards at their club (they have some seriously) some respect. We are a bigger club and with a more glorious history but some of them was there before Roman. Not all of them are idiots. I'm a bit drunk and so glad we won today that I feel it necessary to give them some slack. Peace, love and all that Ballacks.

 

Take your drunken point(!) and yes Chelsea have some decent fans and a history, but that is not what is at question or under discussion. The issue of "tradition" relate to how Kenyon, Abramovich and Mourinho conduct themselves, the sulphurous atmosphere of ego, vanity and overbearing arrogance that surrounds everything you do. Its not just about winning, its how you do it and what you give back. That's what builds real tradition, not having some overpaid marketing executive talking about building "brand value" as Kenyon has done in the last couple of years.

 

Does Ray Houghton still do RTE? sad to say about a ex Liverpool player but that man knows absolutly nothing.

 

Yip, and he's still dreadful.

[Maldini]

Does Ray Houghton still do RTE? sad to say about a ex Liverpool player but that man knows absolutly nothing.

they only really use him in the studio when nobody else is available.

[Andy @ Allerton]

You can sum Sky up by the fact they chose the Newcastle v West Ham game as their 'game of the day'

 

Bitter b******s

 

[Chili Palmer]

You can sum Sky up by the fact they chose the Newcastle v West Ham game as their 'game of the day'

 

Bitter b******s

 

 

I don't think they put on the game they showed live earlier in the day as the main game.

 

Still Bitter b******s tho!

[Kite]

I've recently started watching the RTE coverage too and am enjoying it immensely compared to the rival gash on offer. Souness surprised me a little last night, both by his clarity in his comments and his obvious passion, as said earlier, for pure football. He also was hugely positive about Liverpool saying stuff like how Mourinho must have stood at the end of the game looked around at the crowd etc and thought "Here's a real football club ..."

 

Giles absolutely detests Mourinho too, so his comments are always worth savouring ... (doen't like CRonaldo much neither: "waving his legs in the air" )

Edited January 21, 2007 by Mr Kite

[aka Dus]

Was strange to listen to the Times podcast with Danny Kelly, G Marcotti and G Balague a few weeks ago.

 

Kelly said that the RTE analysis was unlike any other (in a good way) but Marcotti had a few digs at the RTE coverage basically slamming Giles and Dunphy for being has-beens and never-was'.

 

That's just priceless! Where could I get my ears on that podcast?

 

The American-Italian who never kicked a ball in his life, utterly biased in his journalism. Some cheek.