the marginals

[Phil236849]

assuming something freakish i see a core of players being simply not for sale, ot it being too early to say if they might be for sale: Pepe, Finnan, Agger, Carra, Riise, Warnock, Aurelio, Garcia, Pennant, gonzalez, sissoko, alonso, gerrard,crouch, bellamy, kuyt.

 

The following are the possibles and my thoughts on what sort of bid we would accept - any views?

 

Fowler - free - 50/50 poss

kewell - £1.5m

Le Tallec - [not heard anything about him] - we'd take £1m i think if offered

Sinama - £1.5m

Potter - £250k

Zenden - ?not for sale under 2m?

Carson - ?not for sale under 4m?

Hyppia -?not for sale under 2m?

[Stevie H]

i'd like to see sami finish his career with us. and selling carson, why? far more likely dudek.

[Kahnee]

i'd like to see sami finish his career with us. and selling carson, why? far more likely dudek.

 

Dudek can leave on a free in the summer

[Phil236849]

i kinda agree re sami - and he would be not easy to replace. my thinking is we spent so heavily last summer that if rafa wants to invest, there may be limited funds (dependent on champions league run this year and qualification). carson's having an impressive season, if someone cash-rich - say villa? - came in with say a £5m bid, would we be tempted to cash in, give jerzy a contract extension, and buy a cheap 3rd choice keeper and a momo mark II?

[Kahnee]

i kinda agree re sami - and he would be not easy to replace. my thinking is we spent so heavily last summer that if rafa wants to invest, there may be limited funds (dependent on champions league run this year and qualification). carson's having an impressive season, if someone cash-rich - say villa? - came in with say a £5m bid, would we be tempted to cash in, give jerzy a contract extension, and buy a cheap 3rd choice keeper and a momo mark II?

 

Can't see Dudek signing a new deal just to warm his buns on the bench

[Phil236849]

Dudek can leave on a free in the summer

 

with no apparent sign of a deal being offered, wonder whether scotty would be happy with a season as back up/cup keeper, after having a season playing at prem level...

 

Can't see Dudek signing a new deal just to warm his buns on the bench

 

that money would go a long way in poland in retirement

[AE]

Can't see Liverpool offering him (Jerzy) a new deal.

Carson comes back as number 2 and we take thing from there.

[Alonso]

I think all the loan players bar Carson will go (if possible) along with Dudek, Zenden and Kewell with possibly Fowler and Hyypia if replacements can be found. Hyypia's case for being sold could be similar to that of Hamann leaving and Rafa may want someone younger in than Fowler. Also a few of the reserve team might go/not their contracts renewed too.

[Benitez]

i kinda agree re sami - and he would be not easy to replace. my thinking is we spent so heavily last summer that if rafa wants to invest, there may be limited funds (dependent on champions league run this year and qualification). carson's having an impressive season, if someone cash-rich - say villa? - came in with say a £5m bid, would we be tempted to cash in, give jerzy a contract extension, and buy a cheap 3rd choice keeper and a momo mark II?

 

we didn't spend that heavily tho when you think of what was recouped. Plus now there is also the £3 mill or so for Kirkland, and hopefully a decent fee for Cisse to consider next summer before anyone else is even sold.

 

The funds will be there as usual. IE - nowhere near as much as some teams, but nowhere as little as sometimes suggested!

[MickeyDocs]

we didn't spend that heavily tho when you think of what was recouped. Plus now there is also the £3 mill or so for Kirkland, and hopefully a decent fee for Cisse to consider next summer before anyone else is even sold.

 

The funds will be there as usual. IE - nowhere near as much as some teams, but nowhere as little as sometimes suggested!

 

 

Hopefully Zenden will be on his way.

 

Will we be after a replacement for Kewell & Zenden, or will Gonzales make the position his own?

[Phil236849]

we didn't spend that heavily tho when you think of what was recouped. Plus now there is also the £3 mill or so for Kirkland, and hopefully a decent fee for Cisse to consider next summer before anyone else is even sold.

 

The funds will be there as usual. IE - nowhere near as much as some teams, but nowhere as little as sometimes suggested!

 

1. i think this was our biggest summer of spending for some time, particularly as each deal will have various add-ons and agent payments, and there were a lot of deals.

2. no report of kirkland fee anywhere. my gut instinct is we did not get more than 2m

3. are we going to get more than 5m for djibril?

 

yes, there will be some sums, but rafa is an ambitious coach...

 

Hopefully Zenden will be on his way.

 

Will we be after a replacement for Kewell & Zenden, or will Gonzales make the position his own?

 

maybe not for kewell, but we could do with another CM if we lose bolo

[Benitez]

1. i think this was our biggest summer of spending for some time, particularly as each deal will have various add-ons and agent payments, and there were a lot of deals.

2. no report of kirkland fee anywhere. my gut instinct is we did not get more than 2m

3. are we going to get more than 5m for djibril?

 

 

Deals are normally structured with various add ons and the like mind. We made 3 major signings in the summer in Kuyt, Bellamy and Pennant. We ain't talking earth shattering here. I'd suggest the summer Cisse, Alonso and Garcia arrived was as significant iif not more so monetary wise!

 

There have been reports of 2.5 up 3.5 for Kirkland, which is why I mentioned a sum imbetween.

 

No idea about Cisse. We can only wait and see, but so long as he stays fit.....

[Kopfaithful]

Dudek can leave on a free in the summer

 

Isn't the same true for Zenden and Kewell?

[Phil236849]

Deals are normally structured with various add ons and the like mind. We made 3 major signings in the summer in Kuyt, Bellamy and Pennant. We ain't talking earth shattering here. I'd suggest the summer Cisse, Alonso and Garcia arrived was as significant iif not more so monetary wise!

 

There have been reports of 2.5 up 3.5 for Kirkland, which is why I mentioned a sum imbetween.

 

No idea about Cisse. We can only wait and see, but so long as he stays fit.....

 

 

spose so - in my mind i have gonzalez, paletta and aurelio as summer signings too - don't know if they all are accounted for that way. whilst their prices are cheaper, there must be agents payments. and agger in jan of course...

[Kopfaithful]

assuming something freakish i see a core of players being simply not for sale, ot it being too early to say if they might be for sale: Pepe, Finnan, Agger, Carra, Riise, Warnock, Aurelio, Garcia, Pennant, gonzalez, sissoko, alonso, gerrard,crouch, bellamy, kuyt.

 

The following are the possibles and my thoughts on what sort of bid we would accept - any views?

 

Fowler - free - 50/50 poss

kewell - £1.5m

Le Tallec - [not heard anything about him] - we'd take £1m i think if offered

Sinama - £1.5m

Potter - £250k

Zenden - ?not for sale under 2m?

Carson - ?not for sale under 4m?

Hyppia -?not for sale under 2m?

 

Unless Warnock gets in and plays a ton of games i can't see him wanting to stay. He's at an age where he really needs to be playing, he's not a kid anymore.

[Phil236849]

Isn't the same true for Zenden and Kewell?

 

doubt it - kewell i thought had another season after this one. i would have thought zenden signed for longer than 2 years

[Kopfaithful]

doubt it - kewell i thought had another season after this one. i would have thought zenden signed for longer than 2 years

 

I was pretty sure they signed for 4 and 2 years. I'll see if I can find out.

[R A Softlad]

i'd like to see sami finish his career with us. and selling carson, why? far more likely dudek.

 

I agree with that - Sami's having an indian summer and is a legend. Dudek's number is up, there'll always be Istanbul.

[Stevie H]

I agree with that - Sami's having an indian summer and is a legend. Dudek's number is up, there'll always be Istanbul.

mate i'd love to see sami employed by the club in some capacity when he hangs up his boots. the man's a legend.

[R A Softlad]

Can't see any reason why he wouldn't be kept on to help Hobbs and the like.

[Kopfaithful]

I was pretty sure they signed for 4 and 2 years. I'll see if I can find out.

 

i was wrong about kewell, he was a 5 year Offal Link . I'm struggling to find anything on Zenden!

[Alonso]

Can't see any reason why he wouldn't be kept on to help Hobbs and the like.

Same reason Hamann went, he wants to play regular footie and he may find himself behind Agger this season let alone next. Then again he may be like Fowler and except that he's only gonna be a squad player but at the club he loves.

[AE]

What always gets me with transfers is that everyone (IMO ) looks at the headline figure and never seems to take into account wages, length of contacts remaining on players moved on etc....

 

It's easy to say "we didn't spend much" and we got "xxx" back as we should have loads of cash, but what about the money paid / owed to players the deals to cover their "loss" of earning on transfers etc. (not to mention agents etc)

Because we pay highly and wages are the single biggest expense we have then I think more account of these should be made before we can sit and say "we have £15mill to spend" or whatever.

 

:Rant over:

[Ronnie Whelan]

Do people think RF will want out?

[Benitez]

tbh, I think plenty take those things into consideration AE

 

Which is why one of the biggests tasks Rafa had here was as much getting rid of the many players surplus to requirements on huge long contracts as it was getting better players in to replace 'em. And why now we tend to see players on shorter contracts than they where under GH I suspect. The books must have been a horror show when he took over.

 

i was wrong about kewell, he was a 5 year Offal Link . I'm struggling to find anything on Zenden!

 

 

Zenden signed a 2 year contract.

Edited October 31, 2006 by Benitez