Who is next for the inquisitors?

[Nebraska Red]

Scanning the threads and reading some of the posts, a number of people seem to be down on our Manager and a few of his players.

 

Aurelio, Sissoko, Reina and Pennant are all coming under scrutiny, and possibly more.

 

If this is what happens after a loss , followed by a draw, what will happen when we (possibly) hit our run of bad form?

[Guest Stephen King]

You missed out Alonso.

[Crazy Horse]

I'm hoping this is our run of bad form.

[Guest Cyador]

Aye, it STINKS!

 

I deliberately kept away from the forum after Saturday's game - just carn't stand the schite that gets spewed out if we dare to lose.

 

Me too. I know football fans are fickle creatures, but there seem to be alot of brain dead idiots that always surface, if we dare lose or draw.

[Nebraska Red]

it's not just on here.

 

i also peruse the forums/mesage boards for the New York Yankees and the Washington Redskins.

 

the Yankees play 162 games in a season, but if they dare to lose 1, or worse still 2 or 3 in a row, there is pandemonium.

 

as for the Redskins, there is a queue for the suicide jumps as they lost their first game.

 

the internet had produced some wonderful things, but it has given an outlet to some complete nutters.

Edited September 13, 2006 by nebraska red

[stonty]

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO68fUMWx3g

[Leo No.8]

Pennant and Sissoko? What have they supposed to have done wrong? Two of our better players so far this season for me...

[Hodgson for Chelsea]

Pennant and Sissoko? What have they supposed to have done wrong? Two of our better players so far this season for me...

 

Have to agree with that. Even though I'm still not convinced about Pennant I cant single him out for any criticism at all so far. It's refreshing to see someone down the right hugging the touchline in fact.

 

Alonso goes through a sticky patch and can only pass the ball 35 yards to feet

[JohnnyH]

what will happen when we (possibly) hit our run of bad form?

 

Draw, win, loss, draw......... I really hope this is our bad run.

[Kopfaithful]

Scanning the threads and reading some of the posts, a number of people seem to be down on our Manager and a few of his players.

 

Aurelio, Sissoko, Reina and Pennant are all coming under scrutiny, and possibly more.

 

If this is what happens after a loss , followed by a draw, what will happen when we (possibly) hit our run of bad form?

 

I don't really understand the point of this. Are you saying people can only discuss how a match went or players form if things are going well? Is it not possible to say a player had a stinker or is out of form? or perhaps they would have liked to see the manager make different changes in a game or something similar?

[Poolfrog]

Scanning the threads and reading some of the posts, a number of people seem to be down on our Manager and a few of his players.

 

Aurelio, Sissoko, Reina and Pennant are all coming under scrutiny, and possibly more.

 

If this is what happens after a loss , followed by a draw, what will happen when we (possibly) hit our run of bad form?

 

And paradoxically, some players who have been awful - Fowler springs to mind - get away scot-free from any criticism. It's a funny old game!

[Leo No.8]

And paradoxically, some players who have been awful - Fowler springs to mind - get away scot-free from any criticism. It's a funny old game!

 

You seem to have it in for Fowler, but I have to agree he has been awful in the two games he's featured in so far.

[jimmylibel]

To be honest I've been surprised at how (relatively) level headed the criticism has been in general so far this year. Very little wailing and nashing of teeth, mostly just considering prodding. Can live with that.

[Poolfrog]

You seem to have it in for Fowler, but I have to agree he has been awful in the two games he's featured in so far.

Not really - he was a great player 10 years ago but is inevitably worse than when we sold him to Leeds (when he was already past it), but people tip-toe around his bad performances. Real up and coming stars, who are the future of the club, like Alonso, have a couple of indifferent games and he's absolutely slaughtered. Even Sissoko, who I reckon has been our best player this season in his few perfomances - and just about the only one to emerge from the derby with any credit - also has people querying his ability (he even has a thread on here dedicated to this!). But Fowler plays badly in both league appearances and not a peep about dropping him - not the merest hint of criticism. I'm just pointing out the paradox. Has anyone else noticed it?

[IgPig]

But Fowler plays badly in both league appearances and not a peep about dropping him - not the merest hint of criticism. I'm just pointing out the paradox. Has anyone else noticed it?

 

You've just done it.

[Poolfrog]

You've just done it.

 

Indeed - but I'm not one of the usual suspects who critices players at the drop of a hat after 3 league games. I highlight Fowler for illustrative purposes

[Guest AnfieldGrass]

I firmly believe the ones who come on to stir up trouble about the likes of Sissoko are not Liverpool fans but blues****, manc, or russian w*****s. Just shows they are scared.

[Leo No.8]

Indeed - but I'm not one of the usual suspects who critices players at the drop of a hat after 3 league games. I highlight Fowler for illustrative purposes

 

I understand what you're saying, but although I largely disagree with the criticism of said players, would you not agree that perhaps the difference between attitudes towards them and Fowler is down to expectations? I don't think anyone really expects that much from Fowler, and pretty much everyone would class him as fourth choice and an option to use largely from the bench the way United used to with Sheringham, to bring something different and nick a goal here and there.

 

Xabi on the other hand is at the peak of his career - he is so highly thought of, and has such incredible ability which maybe he he isn't living up to at present. As much as anything I think the criticism comes from people expecting too much of him. Regarding Sissoko, the guy who started that thread questioning his ability is a United fan - Momo has been brilliant so far and I doubt you'll find many Liverpool supporters on here saying anything different.

 

As for Pepe, he has clearly made a few high profile mistakes in the games this season so it'd be odd if he didn't come in for criticism; I'm sure most feel though, as I do, that he'll be fine and its a minor blip. He has the right temperament and attitude to come through it where other good keepers we've had failed.

 

Pennant is just settling in and I can't see he's done much wrong so far, so that is a strange one. He looks a real talent to me - his use of the ball and passing have been absolutely superb.

 

There will always be criticism though and differences of opinion, its what forums are for. People just need to keep a sense of perspective, and make what they say is constructive. I find it wise not to post straight after a bad defeat or poor performance - usually the emotions are in control,nerves are raw from the game and you look back later and think you went too far and made a t1t of yourself.

 

What I do dislike is when someone forms an opinion on a player and refuses to change it no matter how well that player does. Grudging praise gives way to harsh criticism as soon as that player puts the slightest foot wrong - I hate that. I think we'll see that with Pennant as there were a lobby who disagreed with his signing quite strongly because of his past misdemenours.

Edited September 14, 2006 by Leo No.8

[Guest AnfieldGrass]

 

Indeed - but I'm not one of the usual suspects who critices players at the drop of a hat after 3 league games. I highlight Fowler for illustrative purposes

 

So in order to highlight the incongruity in the criticisms being levelled at some players compared to others, who might or might not deserve it more or less so, you do so by yourself criticising a player who you think actually deserves the criticism.

[mick]

But isn't this the way of the world?

 

I mean after the meaningless friendly that is the Charity Shield against a half fit Chelsea Momo was the best midfielder in Europe. We signed player like Gonzalez and JP who were apparently world class......

 

Why are you so surprised by this. Over reaction goes both ways and in my IMO one is as bad as the other.

[Woodsyla]

as for the Redskins, there is a queue for the suicide jumps as they lost their first game.

 

b******s, who to ?

[Marvin]

Am I alone in thinking Fowler did ok on Saurday?

[realtarragona]

Sometimes the manager and players deserve criticism. Just like they were praised last season when we won 10 games in a row and so on. Not many people are going over the top really.

[Benitez]

build 'em up to knock them down

[kop205]

I understand what you're saying, but although I largely disagree with the criticism of said players, would you not agree that perhaps the difference between attitudes towards them and Fowler is down to expectations? I don't think anyone really expects that much from Fowler, and pretty much everyone would class him as fourth choice and an option to use largely from the bench the way United used to with Sheringham, to bring something different and nick a goal here and there.

 

 

You are wasting your time mate. He decided ages ago that anyone who does anything other than slaughter Fowler's every move is a blind/nostalgic fool. Pretty much all he ever posts is stuff having a go at him or at anyone who sees any good qualities in him.

 

You've actually hit the nail right on the head there about Fowler there though. The lack of criticism isn't people protecting him, it is a reflection of relatively modest expectations. I don't mind people not rating Fowler, but it pisses me off when they constantly misrepresent the position / exaggerate the expectations of those who feel he can make a contribution.

 

As for Alonso, I honestly don't think he has been slaughtered by anyone on here. It would be an insult to a player of his class to pretend that his form has been anything other than very ordinary, verging on poor, this season - though there were signs of recovery on Tuesday. As I've said elsewhere, I'm confident enough in his world class abilities to be able to show a bit of honesty and make the observation when he has had a bad game. He doesn't need protecting. People have jumped on posts that have pointed out his form as evidence of bias towards local players or examples of people being kneejerk when they are neither.

 

Maybe the people who are so quick to jump on those pointing out Alonso's ordinary form are the ones who really doubt him and are too insecure about him to say he's not been playing well. I on the other hand know he'll be fine. There may be some drama queens on here who have hissy fits every time we fail to win, but there are more who have hissy fits at even the merest, mildest, occasional criticism.

Edited September 14, 2006 by kop205