Gray says Liverpool were unlucky

[Guest sniffer]

Andy Gray has said on Sky that Liverpool were unlucky. First two goals came about through definite fouls which Poll should have spotted and it was a definite penalty through Hibbert's handball. Thought the Reds were the better side.

[Maldini]

He's right for a change. The bluenoses are going to hate him for saying that though.

[galés rojo]

It's a lot easier for him to say good things about us after a win for the bitters , doubt he'd ave been as graciuos if they had lost.

[Guest Dirk]

It's a lot easier for him to say good things about us after a win for the bitters , doubt he'd ave been as graciuos if they had lost.

 

 

I doubt that's got little to do with it. I am yet to find another bitter who has admitted that. All I've heard is how they 'battered' us which is utter nonsense.

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

it's that media conspiracy against us again

[Buzz]

it's that media conspiracy against us again

That and the fact that Mark Lawrenson said we wouldn't lose on Football Focus.

[Fenderbaum]

Charlie Nicholas backed us as well.

 

Always spells trouble.

[Billy Dane]

Charlie Nicholas backed us as well.

 

Always spells trouble.

 

 

Yeah, he was the only one on the panel to back us - knew we were doomed at that point.

[Dave_the_Red]

Gray in being right shocker.

[Gomez]

I think we were. The first was a 50-50, but the second was a scandalous foul that Poll should be disciplined for missing. And that was the killer goal.

 

Poll was p*ss poor, one of the most inept displays I've seen. Booking Momo, Sami and Riise for nothing fouls, and Riise especially as he was being stretchered off, talk about the ref wanting to be centre of attention, yet failing to book Johnson for kicking the ball away (something Gerrard was booked and ultimately sent off for at 15min at 0-0 last time, Johnson does it at 2-0 up in the 87th - not time wasting at all!) He should never referee another big match.

 

I don't blame Reina for the third, he took a risk, he knew if he'd have put it out for a corner the game was over, they'd have timewasted 'til the whistle, so he tried to keep the ball in play to hopefully get an attach going and it didn't pay off. It was a fair gamble and ultimately cost us nothing. The only thing he did wrong was not going down like a sack of sh*t when Johnson piled into him, he'd have got the foul even though there wasn't one, and you can't really blame him for that.

[downunder]

I think we were. The first was a 50-50, but the second was a scandalous foul that Poll should be disciplined for missing. And that was the killer goal.

 

Poll was p*ss poor, one of the most inept displays I've seen. Booking Momo, Sami and Riise for nothing fouls, and Riise especially as he was being stretchered off, talk about the ref wanting to be centre of attention, yet failing to book Johnson for kicking the ball away (something Gerrard was booked and ultimately sent off for at 15min at 0-0 last time, Johnson does it at 2-0 up in the 87th - not time wasting at all!) He should never referee another big match.

 

I don't blame Reina for the third, he took a risk, he knew if he'd have put it out for a corner the game was over, they'd have timewasted 'til the whistle, so he tried to keep the ball in play to hopefully get an attach going and it didn't pay off. It was a fair gamble and ultimately cost us nothing. The only thing he did wrong was not going down like a sack of sh*t when Johnson piled into him, he'd have got the foul even though there wasn't one, and you can't really blame him for that.

 

I take it you are winding us up, Riise had to be booked - on stretcher or not and Reina was clearly at fault - he would admit to that.

[SkippyjonJones]

ANDY GRAY IS STILL A c***

[Coyler]

its not though, you can't get more than 3 points and we need a win against anybody right now.

we won't beat chelsea on current form.

LW versus WL?

Edited September 11, 2006 by Coyler

[timbos goals]

Sheff Utd where unlucky against Liverpool, the defender never touched gerrard and it was not a penalty

 

 

I take it you had your own private camera view?

 

 

What you state is probably true though from what I've seen I don't think you can say it's categorically true - in that repeated replays reveal there might not have been contact, though no television view is absolutely clear cut and only the two incumbents can ever truly know whether there was or wasn't contact. However, on the field of play in that split-second of decision making to the naked eye it looked that it might have been a foul, certainly enough to sway the ref's thinking.

 

There is another aspect to this, of course. There are some 'experts' who maintain that if a challenge doesn't make contact but causes the player who has been challenged to take evasive action which adversely affects his control or the outcome of his movement, then to all intents and purposes a foul has still been committed.

 

Not sure if it's in the rulebook but it does make a reasonable degree of sense.

Edited September 11, 2006 by timbos goals

[Ronnie Whelan]

its not though, you can't get more than 3 points and we need a win against anybody right now.

we won't beat chelsea on current form.

 

 

They are not playing well at the moment either. A good performance and we could well do them.

[Huyton_Red]

So were they unlucky, with fate evening out the decisions, or were they lazy schithouses 'just turning up'? Or are you putting your money firmly on both?

 

None of the great Liverpool teams of the past ever went a season unbeaten, by the way.

 

We where not unlucky, we got well beaten. We could have still been playing in that match now and we still would not have scored.

 

Stop f'ckin blaming luck, referees etc it was the players fault, for the second successive away league game they did not perform against a team they should have been able to beat easily

 

That is the players fault, not the referee (who gave them a dodgy pen against Sheff Utd by the way) or luck, the only game they have performed to anything like the level they got to last season was the charity shield, the big game against the big team. They battled, worked and pressed in that game, yet against Sheff Utd and Everton they did not, hence the comment about them only havig to turn up

Edited September 11, 2006 by Huyton_Sissoko

[Mike]

They are not playing well at the moment either. A good performance and we could well do them.

 

thats not true. they hammered charlton, just couldn't score.

[Coyler]

We where not unlucky, we got well beaten. We could have still been playing in that match now and we still would not have scored.

 

Stop f'ckin blaming luck, referees etc it was the players fault, for the second successive away league game they did not perform against a team they should have been able to beat easily

 

That is the players fault, not the referee (who gave them a dodgy pen against Sheff Utd by the way) or luck, the only game they have performed to anything like the level they got to last season was the charity shield, the big game against the big team. They battled, worked and pressed in that game, yet against Sheff Utd and Everton they did not, hence the comment about them only havig to turn up

3-0 was a fair reflection; penalty decisions don't matter; our team are consciously a bunch of big-time Charlies because they earn so much, eh?

 

The man trying the hardest was Jamie Carragher and his honest f*ck-up led directly to one of the goals. Gerrard almost broke his leg forcing an impossible chance on to the post, I had a hernia watching him. Some days you just can't win.

 

We were poor but our way of handling a situation when we're 2-0 down is not to panic. We normally come back and are lauded. If events conspire and it's not our day (cf Riise) we get picked off and people start demanding to know why the f*ck didn't we panic much earlier.

Edited September 11, 2006 by Coyler

[DazzlaJ]

thats not true. they hammered charlton, just couldn't score.

 

I watched the match live and if Charlton was any good in the final third they could've have scored 3 or 4.

[Cooldude]

I watched the match live and if Charlton was any good in the final third they could've have scored 3 or 4.

 

Considering we ain't any good in the final third either, that's not really encouraging

[Mike]

I watched the match live and if Charlton was any good in the final third they could've have scored 3 or 4.

i watched the first half - i don't think charlton got in chelseas half?

[Ronnie Whelan]

I watched the match live and if Charlton was any good in the final third they could've have scored 3 or 4.

 

 

Very much so. I know its early season, but they dont look as solid as last season. IMO they are there for the taking if we perform.

[Huyton_Red]

3-0 was a fair reflection; penalty decisions don't matter; our team are consciously a bunch of big-time Charlies because they earn so much, eh?

 

The man trying the hardest was Jamie Carragher and his honest f*ck-up led directly to one of the goals. Gerrard almost broke his leg forcing an impossible chance on to the post, I had a hernia watching him. Some days you just can't win.

 

We were poor but our way of handling a situation when we're 2-0 down is not to panic. We normally come back and are lauded. If events conspire and it's not our day (cf Riise) we get picked off and people start demanding to know why the f*ck didn't we panic much earlier.

 

3-0 was a fair reflection yes IMO. Yes, gerrard hit the post, but andy johnson also missed a diving header from five yards

 

Some days you just cant win, but to write saturday off as 'unlucky' is fundamentally missing the point. where we also 'unlucky' against sheff utd ? What about 'unlucky' when bowyer put the ball wide from six yards at anfield against west ham late in the game ?

 

The players have not performed in the league this season and need an almighty kick up the ar'se before we end up with 'league over by october part 266254552'.

 

They have already put themselves under a huge amount of pressure for the chelsea game by not performing against everton and sheff Utd, if we lose this weekend we could be ELEVEN points behind Utd already for f'ck sake. Last season showed, if you start badly, you can win 20 of your last 23 or 24 games it still wont matter, you still wont win the league.

 

They need to f'ckin wake up and quickly.

[DazzlaJ]

i watched the first half - i don't think charlton got in chelseas half?

 

 

Ahhh, mostly second half. Quite funny seeing Chelsea camped in their own box for periods.

[Poolfrog]

Charlie Nicholas backed us as well.

 

Always spells trouble.

 

Derek McGovern - alleged Liverpool fan - backed us too (he gives tips for William Hills). He previously backed West Ham to beat us at home and is usually 100% wrong, so I knew we were doomed.

 

 

Sheff Utd where unlucky against Liverpool, the defender never touched gerrard and it was not a penalty

 

Decisions even themselves out.

 

Great teams dont moan about decisions and injuries, they just win games.

 

Liverpool battered everton twice last season, once with ten men. Seems that to many of them where reading the papers all summer and think they just have to turn up and they will be chelseas main challengers this season.

The Sheffield defender didn't have to make contact. That's the whole point of it. If a challenge is just careless or reckless - which it was - the referee is entitled to punish him. The laws are clear on this, but most fans - and commentators seem to be oblivious.