revealed: why chelsea sold gallas

[Herbie von Smalls]

just a headline (no report at this stage):

 

chelsea claim they sold gallas to arsenal because 'he threatened to score an own-goal if selected to play by mourinho'.

 

i smell a strong whiff of bulls***. thought jose was never going to let him play for the first XI again anyway?

[stressederic]

I can't see that headline on there.

[Guest Cardie]

Hatchett job.

[Guz]

http://www.chelseafc.com/article.asp?hlid=...sub=latest+news

 

lol

[stressederic]

Just heard some blirt from chelsea PR interviewed on radio and he made a right show of himself.

 

Surely not.

[Rimbeux]

Anyone think that this statement was deliberately released to stoke the "siege mentality".

 

To think that you could release a statement worded like this, given that most people already hate you and expect it to reflect well on you, seems a little far-fetched to me.

 

I just don't think that Chelsea, in particular their PR department, are that stupid (unless they are suffering from some serious denial).

 

Personally, either way, I think they are scum.

 

 

The thing is, this is the latest in a long line, with Frisk, Bates, Cole etc, lots of very silly statements that come back in their faces, it can't all be deliberately planned to foster seige mentality, I genuinely believe these are arrogant and stupid people who think they can set the agenda, manage the news, be constantly in the news and the PR bloke isn't good or strong enough to direct the CEO and the manager away from this kind of nonsense

[Eskimo]

Mourinho generously offered him a way back into the "family"

 

Don Corleone?

[stressederic]

Don Corleone?

 

Gallas woke up to find Van Nistelrooy's head in his blankets.

[Bailo]

When José Mourinho generously offered him a way back into the "family" after the American tour, this was thrown back in the Chelsea manager's face.

 

The manager told him that, even if he did not agree a new contract but returned to the "family" and abided by the rules, he would still select the best players available and would not punish him playing wise.

 

"I tried to leave....but they pulled me back in....."

 

Who the f*** do Chelsea think they are?!

[Eskimo]

[crisps]

You could write a soap about that bunch of to**ers, everything about the club is just embarrasing

Edited September 4, 2006 by mikeyj

[Guest Toby Brown]

>>A club who's owner got rich by screwing over the Russian people, their chief exec who taps up players in hotel rooms and their loud mouthed manager who falsely accused Frank Rijkaard of influencing refs ... or William Gallas.

Ever been to Russia mate? I have, most Russians really like Abramovich and have only good things to say about him. Also, he took a flagging industry, made it profitable and sold it back to the Russian government at a fraction of what it was worth, now making them a force in the international marketplace. What's your in depth knowledge of how the Russian people feel about him?

 

Tapping up? Ashley approahed us, we should have said no, however you don't turn down the opportunity to sign world class players. It's not like if never happens and we were the first, is it? Didn't one Mr Houllier actually get found guilty of the same offence? Such short memories.

 

Falsely accuse? Read the official ref report to the match, Rijkaard DID approach Frisk about the match, the whole thing was blown up as Chelsea being liars because of a technicality. We claimed he'd met in the refs room, when in fact it was the entrance corridor just outside.

 

Stop reading red-tops, you may actually learn something.

 

>>The idea of anyone leaving chelski for more money is ludicrous.

 

Why then is Gallas the second highest earner at Arsenal behind Henry, earning almost double what he did at Stamford Bridge.

 

Seriously, if you're going to speak out of your a***, don't talk.

 

>>The difference is that Gallas has been a loyal servant of Chelsea and was fed up of being played out of position, he basically said he wasn't going to sign another contract and asked for a move. I don't see anything wrong with what he's done at all.

 

So refusing to play last season in the FA Cup semi-final (whilst under contract) and demanding a payrise to even consider it, then saying that he would score an own goal? In any other profession that would be tantamount to industrial espionage and he could go to jail for it. Still see nothing wrong?

 

>>The thing is, this is the latest in a long line, with Frisk, Bates, Cole etc, lots of very silly statements that come back in their faces

 

Granted it doesn't look good, but with the press constantly on our backs over every little thing, does it matter anyway? I'd rather we fight our corner, instead of sitting there taking blows, tryingto be nice and not further upset any applecarts.

 

>You could write a soap about that bunch of to**ers, everything about the club is just embarrasing

 

In your rather red tinted eyes maybe. Then again, if I was to be completely sterotypical I'd be here calling you lot a bunch of thieving disrepectful murderers that piss on their own. However like you, I know it's a load of b******s generated by those that hate you and snowballed by the national press when it suits them.

 

You lot are cleverer than that, I know you are as I've met some of you. Don't be so media led.

 

Personally, I was gutted he went, he was a fantastic player for us and one of the best defenders around, in any position. Generally though you'd hear complaints from him, talking when he's on international duty or summer break, criticising things left right and center. The supporters let it slide because he was such a great servant, now he's gone and we hear what he was really up to, all my feeling for him has gone and what happened before, wasn't actually the odd rant, more a make up of the kind of spoiled, insolent child that William Gallas really is.

 

He should fit in just fine at Arsenal.

Edited September 4, 2006 by Toby Brown

[Ostrich Man]

funny how gallas is regarded as a hero for leaving chelsea and refusing to play for them again, yet cole is regarded as a c*** for wanting to leave arsenal

is it because hes black?

[Bailo]

now he's gone and we hear what he was really up to, all my feeling for him has gone and what happened before, wasn't actually the odd rant, more a make up of the kind of spoiled, insolent child that William Gallas really is.

You criticise for people being "media-led", but you believe whole-heartedly everything that comes out of Chelsea's PR machine?

 

BTW, are you from the Chelsea Rivals website? cfc.net? Indeed you are, looking at your profile! Think I know one of your webmasters/contributors, Trevor?

 

is it because hes black?

Edited September 4, 2006 by Phorum Dunce

[Falconhoof]

>>A club who's owner got rich by screwing over the Russian people, their chief exec who taps up players in hotel rooms and their loud mouthed manager who falsely accused Frank Rijkaard of influencing refs ... or William Gallas.

Ever been to Russia mate? I have, most Russians really like Abramovich and have only good things to say about him. Also, he took a flagging industry, made it profitable and sold it back to the Russian government at a fraction of what it was worth, now making them a force in the international marketplace. What's your in depth knowledge of how the Russian people feel about him?

 

f*** me thats some revisionism!

[Guest Toby Brown]

You criticise for people being "media-led", but you believe whole-heartedly everything that comes out of Chelsea's PR machine?

 

BTW, are you from the Chelsea Rivals website? cfc.net?

 

 

No I don't believe everything that comes out of the club, but Billy has had a tendancy to strop in the past. Plus, Mourinho was saying the other day that he should talk to the press and reveal why he wasn't playing. He didn't, they did.

 

A lot of Chelsea supporters have been up in arms that he's gone, and have complained about the club for doing so. They feel they needed to show the supporters what was 'allegedly' happening behind the scences, now we're up in arms.

 

Imagine if Gerrard had done the same ot you to force his move to Chelsea, there was strange niggling injuries as to why he couldn't play, he was silent and withdrawn, wanting a move. Finally he goes and it's revealed that this is what he had threatened, how would you feel about it?

 

I'm not from the Rivals site (www.chelsea.rivals.net) - I am from CFCnet (www.cfcnet.co.uk) - I'm the Forum Manager there.

[jfogarty]

This whole Chelsea thing is ruining football. I still hold out some hope that a whistleblower will come out and let everyone know what has been going on at this circus over the past few years. Gallas has just been given an excuse to get the ball rolling

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

What is slightly dodgy is the way he aquired individual shares to own most of the company, however these people did receive payment for their shares, albeit under market value. That's business, if he was a crook he'd have been prosecuted, and I feel had Branson done the same, he'd be hailed as some economic genius.

 

no, anyone doing that would be seen as a bit of a t***, to be honest

 

and football will become an absolute joke because of the billionaires, chiefly Abramovich

 

funnily enough though, I think some of what you say makes some sense

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

>>A club who's owner got rich by screwing over the Russian people, their chief exec who taps up players in hotel rooms and their loud mouthed manager who falsely accused Frank Rijkaard of influencing refs ... or William Gallas.

Ever been to Russia mate? I have, most Russians really like Abramovich and have only good things to say about him. Also, he took a flagging industry, made it profitable and sold it back to the Russian government at a fraction of what it was worth, now making them a force in the international marketplace. What's your in depth knowledge of how the Russian people feel about him?

 

Took advantage of rigged auctions to take from the state what was the people's. Then he & partners convinced other shareholders to sell to them for a relative pittance & then sold back to the Russian gov't (not for a fraction of its worth) what was once its own for a vast sum of money. This also cleaned his hands with Putin & kidnap apart, puts him out of the reach of a similar fate as befel Khordovsky

[Romario]

Whoa there nellie. Lowly engineer? He was already a multi millionairre at point of the cash for shares deal. He loaned the government money (yes loaned the goverment to bail out the flagging currency) and received shares for the state assets. He wasn't the only one as every Russian was offered shares in return for hard currency. What is slightly dodgy is the way he aquired individual shares to own most of the company, however these people did receive payment for their shares, albeit under market value. That's business, if he was a crook he'd have been prosecuted, and I feel had Branson done the same, he'd be hailed as some economic genius.

Haahaaahaahahaahahaha!

 

 

He loaned the government money (yes loaned the goverment to bail out the flagging currencyWell either it didn't work or that's not really what happened as Russia is still on his knees. Anyway a multi millionaire does not have the funds to solve a flagging currency especially in a country the size of Russia.

In this scenario Loaned means bought off the right people. Loaned my a***.

 

The individual shares were bought as you said off starving pessants many of whom lived in Siberia and could neither read or had any experience of the outside world. They were promised jobs and a better life but got f*** all.

 

Like you say that's business but its not ethical in any way. Very few people become Billionaires in their early 30's and are found to be clean.

 

No, being governer of Chukotka grants him indemnity from prosecution That's handy isn't it!! So he built a few houses and a few roads for the starving masses buying their votes so no one can touch him! Heart of gold.

 

The reason he hasn't been caught in Russian is the above and his mafia connections. The reasons the bloody red tops can't find anything to stick is that they are too fecking thick to do their research. Thing is when you have over 7 billion dollars to your name it's not hard to hire brilliant business men and the best lawyers to make sure you're fairly untouchable. Oh and offering "loans" to the right people in times of crisis can also help.

[Guest Toby Brown]

>>Took advantage of rigged auctions to take from the state what was the people's.

 

The peoples? Surely it was the states? Who at the time, couldn't even afford to run it? By your thinking, we should all be knocking on Blairs door asking for our share in the British Gas sale.

 

>>Then he & partners convinced other shareholders to sell to them for a relative pittance & then sold back to the Russian gov't (not for a fraction of its worth) what was once its own for a vast sum of money

 

Yes for a fraction of it's worth. Sibneft was worth in excess of £20billion, the dividends alone used to pay Roman £2-3 billion a year. A company with that profitability is easily worh ten times the dividend. Roman sold it back, in a far healthier state than it was, upgraded refinerys, more pipelines, better productivity, for £6.2billion (ish) - far less than it's true market value. He could have sold it to BP or another big oil company for £20billion, in fact, if I recall correctly, he blew out two such bids.

 

>>This also cleaned his hands with Putin & kidnap apart, puts him out of the reach of a similar fate as befel Khordovsky

 

Cleaned his hands of what? Has there ever been any 'charges' laid on Abramovich? Has there ever been any evidence to prove his 'shady' reputation. As I said, Khordovsky got involved in politics, something I understand was part of the agreement not to do when the original sale was on.

[Romario]

>>Took advantage of rigged auctions to take from the state what was the people's.

 

The peoples? Surely it was the states? Who at the time, couldn't even afford to run it? By your thinking, we should all be knocking on Blairs door asking for our share in the British Gas sale.

 

>>Then he & partners convinced other shareholders to sell to them for a relative pittance & then sold back to the Russian gov't (not for a fraction of its worth) what was once its own for a vast sum of money

 

Yes for a fraction of it's worth. Sibneft was worth in excess of £20billion, the dividends alone used to pay Roman £2-3 billion a year. A company with that profitability is easily worh ten times the dividend. Roman sold it back, in a far healthier state than it was, upgraded refinerys, more pipelines, better productivity, for £6.2billion (ish) - far less than it's true market value. He could have sold it to BP or another big oil company for £20billion, in fact, if I recall correctly, he blew out two such bids.

 

>>This also cleaned his hands with Putin & kidnap apart, puts him out of the reach of a similar fate as befel Khordovsky

 

Cleaned his hands of what? Has there ever been any 'charges' laid on Abramovich? Has there ever been any evidence to prove his 'shady' reputation. As I said, Khordovsky got involved in politics, something I understand was part of the agreement not to do when the original sale was on.

Since when did British Gas hand out shares in the company to the general public?

[Kvarme Ate My Food]

Since when did British Gas hand out shares in the company to the general public?

 

tell Sid

[Guest Toby Brown]

>The reason he hasn't been caught in Russian is the above and his mafia connections. The reasons the bloody red tops can't find anything to stick is that they are too fecking thick to do their research.

 

Ever stop to think, for just one minute, that it may be because he's no criminal? It's not just the red-tops though is it? It's every paper, the government (just after the takeover) FIFA, UEFA... no-one can find anything on the bloke.

 

Mafia? Don't make me laugh. Got any links? Even flimsy ones, to support your arguements?

 

The mafia don't do limelight, so buying something as in the public eye as a football club, wouldn't be their way.

 

 

 

Now..... I'm sure we were talking about Gallas here at some point.

[madaboutlfc]

 

 

Detrimental in who's eyes? Yours? Ask Terence Brown (West Ham Chairman) - if it wasn't for Roman's money for their players, they would have gone bust, been relegated and started with points deducted. They probably wouldn't be back in the PL now and wouldn't be parading two world class talents as possibly the signings of the season.

 

 

Is that really the right course of action for the good of football. A football club should be able to survive without a benefactor and be accountable for their spending. If Im right the money West Ham received for Cole, johnson was around the market value for at the time. I can understand you being a Chelsea fan enjoying the ride and considering this is the most successful era in the history of your club but please do not try to justify irresponsible spending. I would hate to have Liverpool be run on the Chelsea model where everything depends on one person. What do you think will happen if Abramovich for some reason cannot pump money into Chelsea and it is forced to survive by normal means.

I think its a disgrace that the football industry is one of the worse regulated industry in England.