Chelsea are second-rate

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

horrible bunch of feckers

 

Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool will be among the top seeds for next season's Champions League draw, but Chelsea will again have to play second fiddle.

Despite winning back-to-back Premiership titles, and even with the top Italian sides missing, Chelsea will be among the second seeds. The reason is that the other three English teams have accumulated Uefa co-efficient points by having a longer history in Europe's elite club competition.

 

It will mean Jose Mourinho's side have a one-in-five chance of being in the same group as current European champions Barcelona, who beat them in the first knockout phase of the competition last season

 

Beaten finalists Arsenal and 2005 champions Liverpool still need to qualify to take their place among the top seeds for the group phase, while Celtic, who qualified automatically as Scottish champions, will be in the pot of second seeds. Should they qualify, Hearts would almost certainly be one of the lowest seeds.

Even if Juventus and AC Milan win their appeals against their punishments for Italy's match-fixing scandal, their inclusion would not alter the seedings of any British sides in the draw.

 

Uefa have given the Italian FA until July 25 to confirm which sides will be taking part in European competition next season. But with Juventus demoted to Serie B last week and AC Milan given a massive points deduction, Roma and Chievo are expected to join Inter Milan in the Champions League.

 

According to Uefa's procedure, the 32 sides in the Champions League will be split into four pots of eight teams, divided according to their current European ranking.

 

Each group will contain one team from the top seeds, one from the second seeds, one for the third and one from the fourth. Top pot of seeds for Champions League according to current UEFA co-efficient: 1 Barcelona (Spa) 127.0pts, 2 Real Madrid (Spa) 120.0, 3 Inter Milan (Ita) 112.0+, 4 Liverpool (Eng) 105.9*, 5 Arsenal (Eng) 101.9*, 6 Man Utd (Eng) 100.9, 7 Valencia (Spa) 95.0*, 8 Lyon (Fra) 89.7.

 

Second seeds: 9 Porto (Por) 87.5, 10 PSV Eindhoven (Hol) 81.6, 11 Bayern Munich (Ger) 80.9, 12 Chelsea (Eng) 79.9, 13 Roma (Ita) 76.0+, 14 Ajax (Hol) 60.6*, 15 Celtic (Sco) 60.0, 16 Lille (Fra) 54.7.

 

Others: 40 Hearts (Sco) 20.0; 64 Cork City (Irl) 1.4, 68 Linfield (NIr) 0.77, 69 The New Saints FC (Wal) 0.77.

 

(* denotes needs to qualify, + denotes may change if Juventus and AC Milan win appeals in Italy against match-fixing punishment).

[Guz]

Maybe we should qualify first before puting the mockers on...

[Stevie H]

Maybe we should qualify first before puting the mockers on...

is the right answer.

[adiman]

These seedings are based on the UEFA co-efficients but there are not official - just someone at PA making a story from working out the top 8, etc

 

UEFA will not release official seedings until after the Italian imbroglio is sorted out, not before 26 July

[Stew F]

imbroglio WOW

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

is the right answer.

 

I was just quoting from the Guardian

[R A Softlad]

BBC are running it to only they blame the Chavs seeding on them having to play Barca not the fact that they were beaten away and couldn't beat us.

[Senrab_nhoj]

These seedings are based on the UEFA co-efficients but there are not official - just someone at PA making a story from working out the top 8, etc

 

UEFA will not release official seedings until after the Italian imbroglio is sorted out, not before 26 July

 

 

But they WILL be the seedings that UEFA used as this years competition rules have already been laid out re qualifying and seeding etc

[Stevie H]

BBC are running it to only they blame the Chavs seeding on them having to play Barca not the fact that they were beaten away and couldn't beat us.

hehe. if drogba hadn't been sent off etc. . .

[surf]

BBC are running it to only they blame the Chavs seeding on them having to play Barca not the fact that they were beaten away and couldn't beat us.

 

"Despite winning back-to-back Premiership titles, and even with the top Italian sides missing, Chelsea will be among the second seeds. The reason is that the other three English teams have accumulated Uefa co-efficient points by having a longer history in Europe's elite club competition."

 

Yes.....

[smithdown]

Surprised Inter would be ahead of us.

[R A Softlad]

b******s have tweaked it now since I e-mailed them.

[R A Softlad]

Surprised Inter would be ahead of us.

 

Don't be:

 

1 AC Milan Ita 23.1485 31.2560 16.9285 31.6200 26.0675 129.020

2 FC Barcelona Esp 27.9025 31.1150 16.7230 17.1040 34.1620 127.006

3 Real Madrid Esp 35.9025 27.1150 21.7230 18.1040 17.1620 120.006

4 Internazionale Ita 21.1485 28.2560 15.9285 22.6200 24.0675 112.020

5 Juventus Ita 18.1485 29.2560 12.9285 23.6200 23.0675 107.020

6 Liverpool Eng 22.8185 20.5200 14.7125 30.1385 17.7610 105.950

7 Arsenal Eng 15.8185 17.5200 17.7125 19.1385 31.7610 101.950

8 Manchester United Eng 28.8185 26.5200 15.7125 17.1385 12.7610 100.950

9 Valencia Esp 18.9025 27.1150 29.7230 14.1040 5.1620 95.006

10 Olympique Lyon Fra 12.3510 10.6125 18.4550 23.7710 24.5680 89.757

11 FC Porto Por 14.0935 24.5475 26.3825 13.6950 8.8150 87.533

12 PSV Eindhoven Ned 17.3550 8.0350 17.7875 24.9600 13.5025 81.640

13 Bayern München Ger 27.4550 6.0170 10.5555 19.4885 17.4440 80.960

14 Chelsea Eng 8.8185 5.5200 22.7125 25.1385 17.7610 79.950

[Guest efcrmagic]

They've been the Champions for the last 2 years, they deserve higher than...............14th.

 

PSV above them? Anyhow, it will all change in the coming weeks.

[SkippyjonJones]

They've been the Champions for the last 2 years, they deserve higher than...............14th.

 

PSV above them? Anyhow, it will all change in the coming weeks.

 

Not champions of Europe though ? I?m sure you can empathise with them about that.

[R A Softlad]

That, as I am sure you are used to, is not a European competition.

[Guest Anders Honoré]

Surprised Inter would be ahead of us.

 

we didn't get far in 2003 and weren't even in it in 2004.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

hehe. if drogba hadn't been sent off etc. . .

ball didn't cross the line etc etc

[Kopfaithful]

so milan got a better co-efficient than us when we beat them in the final?!

[monkey puzzle]

The Glams could be in trouble next year unless they have a belter next season, their best rankings are up next year and the one following that.

[R A Softlad]

I think that's because they won more games during the competition.

 

Group

LFC W3 D1 L2

Milan W4 D1 L1

 

Round of 16

LFC W2

Milan W2

 

QFs

LFC W1 D1

Milan W2

 

SFs

LFC W1 D1

Milan W1 L1

 

F

LFC W

Milan L

 

 

Total

LFC W8 D3 L2

Milan W9 D1 L3

[Rimbeux]

"Despite winning back-to-back Premiership titles, and even with the top Italian sides missing, Chelsea will be among the second seeds. The reason is that the other three English teams have accumulated Uefa co-efficient points by having a longer history in Europe's elite club competition."

 

Yes.....

 

No, because they have not performed well enough in Europe over the last five years, simple as that, and in three of those they've had Abramovic

[surf]

They've been the Champions for the last 2 years, they deserve higher than...............14th.

 

PSV above them? Anyhow, it will all change in the coming weeks.

 

1) It's based on the past 5 years, not the past 2 years

en

2) Furthest Chelsea have gotten is semi-final and PSV got there as well the year we won the Cup. PSV have a decent CL history under Hiddink

3) Dont worry, as a blue i dont expect you to know too much about the goings on in Europe's top cup competition

[surf]

No, because they have not performed well enough in Europe over the last five years, simple as that, and in three of those they've had Abramovic

 

I tihnk it's a fair comment, Chelsea had a poor history prior to the Russian taking over. If you look at only at the last three years - the Abramovic years if you like - it's a different picture:

 

(this will probably look crap with the formatting)

 

1 Milan 16,9 31,6 26,1 74,6

2 Arsenal 17,7 19,1 31,8 68,6

3 Barcelona 16,7 17,1 34,2 68,0

4 Lyon 18,5 23,8 24,6 66,8

5 Chelsea 22,7 25,1 17,8 65,6

6 Internazionale 15,9 22,6 24,1 62,6

7 Liverpool 14,7 30,1 17,8 62,6

8 Juventus 12,9 23,6 23,1 59,6

9 Real Madrid 21,7 18,1 17,2 57,0

10 PSV 17,8 25,0 13,5 56,3

11 Valencia 29,7 14,1 5,2 49,0

12 Porto 26,4 13,7 8,8 48,9

13 Bayern 10,6 19,5 17,4 47,5

14 Manchester United 15,7 17,1 12,8 45,6

 

Which clearly goes to show they've been amongst the top performers over the past three years. Interestingly, ManU are going to struggle to remain in the top 8, unless they get some decent results the next two years, as they're replacing a 29 and a 26.

[growler]

Man U will be ok now with Juve and Milan missing out for a season.

 

also, arsenal have always qualified, had a good group performance.

 

They haven't had the peaks that others have had, but they been consistant to qualify from the groups.

 

Man U and Real madrid ironically have the most to gain from the italian problems.