Italian scandal

[aka Dus]

I'll just kick things off with the email racing its way around the offices of the bored workforce of Europe

 

'Juve Relegated To Serie B'

According to reports emerging from Italy, Juventus have been relegated to Serie B with a 15-points deduction for their part in the match-fixing scandal. Lazio & Fiorentina will also be demoted, while AC Milan will stay in Serie A but thrown out of the Champs League

[Raj]

This has been reported on Football 365. They are saying that these are unconfirmed reports.

Edited July 14, 2006 by roegahnn

[Montse]

Surprising if true. I thought that they were destined for Serie C and the others incl AC for B?

[Serko]

it's from HERE not sure how reliable that site is though.

[Stevie H]

how can milan stay in serie a but be thrown out of the champions league? surely the domestic punishment should be more severe than a european one?

[magneto]

Gazetta Dela Sporta says Serie B for Juve and 20 points deduction

[Guest Sabre]

how can milan stay in serie a but be thrown out of the champions league? surely the domestic punishment should be more severe than a european one?

 

Surely they should have a points deduction?

[Gilps]

how can milan stay in serie a but be thrown out of the champions league? surely the domestic punishment should be more severe than a european one?

 

If their punihmet s effectively a points deduction in relation to the season just gone, they could be said not to have finished in the top four. So the European 'punishment' is simply a consequence of the domestic one.

[Guest Gaz_J]

UEFA should be looking to add it's own punishments (bans etc.) to all teams involved. If it had the ballacks, obviously.

[aka Dus]

Announcement official after the stock market closes today, Italian FA have to tell UEFA who goes into Europa as their representatives by Kuly 25th, I think and the lcubs have 3 days to appeal, notwithstanding the inevitable appeals to the Court of Arbitration in Sport, the High Court in Italy, the EU and the rest of it.

[Montse]

Looks like the official statement as aka Dus said is at 19.30 ish....

 

Calciopoli: after the 19 verra `read the sentence

14/07/2006 11.08.23

 

(Cesar Ruperto, president of the Caf)

(DS) - Rome, 14 July - famous Sara `rendered in evening the sentence of the federal Appeals Court on the process of first degree for illicit sportsman. And `probable that it does not come pronounced before 19:30 since, second how much is learned from an official notice diffused from the same Federcalcio, l `approached the journalists credits to you verra `not concurred before hours 19. The sentence and `to caricodi four societa `(in alfabeico order Fiorentina, Juventus, Lazio, Milan) and of tesserati others 25. According to how much he recites famous `To the term of the begun Council Chamber the 8 saturday July, the president of the Caf Cesar Ruperto dara `reading of the device of the sentence. Indisponibilita sight l ``of the structures of the Olympic stage where and `carried out the debate, the reading of the sentence avverra `near the hotel Park of the Principles. Like for it is made dibattimentali, also for the reading of the sentence they are not concurred transmissions directed television radio in `.

 

Googled from ere

 

[AntM]

I'm in Verona at the moment. I've just got a colleague to translate the headlines from Gazetto Dello Sport. The official announcement will be made at 7pm Italian time today. It is expected that Juve, Lazio and Fiorentina will be relegated to serie b. Lazio and Fiorentina will get a points deduction of 6-7 points, this will be less severe than Juve's points deduction. Milan will remain in serie a (my colleague smells a deal has been done by Berlusconi....) but will not participate in the CL.

[Gilps]

Are they awarding any retrospective titles to Inter?

 

They should get last years. Not sure whether the earlier title will still be stripped from Juve.

[Serko]

assuming Juventus, Lazio and fiorentina get relegated who joins the serie A? is it the teams that would have been relegated from serie A or will they promote some teams from serie b?

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

Nazio may they never return

[Gilps]

assuming Juventus, Lazio and fiorentina get relegated who joins the serie A? is it the teams that would have been relegated from serie A or will they promote some teams from serie b?

 

Due to the nature of the charge against Juve specifically and the arcane rules of the Italian FA, the first beneficiaries will be Bologna, as explained below.

 

"The case against Juventus is different from that against the others. The prosecutor has specifically asked for the club to be excluded from the championship. That means that under a complex system devised by the Italian Federation, the country's most successful club would be replaced by Bologna.

 

That decision is based on the club's long- and short-term performance and average attendance over many years. If the other three are also demoted, the three teams who were relegated last season - Messina, Lecce and Treviso - would be reinstated to Serie A."

 

source, which also fairly neatly explains what will happen with the European places

[floyd]

If their doing things retrospectively, they should strip Inter of their 1965 semi final win against us, after they bribed the ref, we go and play the final against Benfica, we win (don’t think Eusebio has got it anymore), and then no more Mancs going on about 1968.

 

Just goes to show how corrupt it’s always been, bribing and taking illegal substances, and always will be. You can’t change the habit of a lifetime.

Edited July 14, 2006 by floyd

[aka Dus]

If their doing things retrospectively, they should strip Inter of their 1965 semi final win against us, after they bribed the ref, we go and play the final against Benfica, we win (don?t think Eusebio has got it anymore), and then no more Mancs going on about 1968.

 

Just goes to show how corrupt it?s always been, bribing and taking illegal substances, and always will be. You can?t change the habit of a lifetime.

 

Heh heh, good point, nicely made.

[Gilps]

The English game has of course always been free of bribery and corruption

 

 

 

[AntM]

redknapp is a fat crook

[Gilps]

redknapp is a fat crook

 

Oh yes indeed.

[floyd]

The English game has of course always been free of bribery and corruption

 

 

 

fair point, but they like lining their own pockets, were Italians like fixing matches. Slight difference.

[Tosh]

 

 

Uhuh...

[floyd]

Uhuh...

 

[Guest Scot]

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