Michael owen's cruciate ligament injury

[RP]

I believe there are other methods for fixing the ACL which don't involve removing part of the hamstring, so fingers crossed for him he'll be OK.

 

Certainly bearing in mind his previous hamstring problems I'd imagine they'll use a different method...

 

 

That was my line of thinking yesterday - my physio said that the usual way is to use part of the hammy, but if there is an alternative surely they'd try it in Michael's case.

 

He's off to see Steadman though so I guess he's the best qualified in treating these types of injuries.

[Leo No.8]

That was my line of thinking yesterday - my physio said that the usual way is to use part of the hammy, but if there is an alternative surely they'd try it in Michael's case.

 

He's off to see Steadman though so I guess he's the best qualified in treating these types of injuries.

 

Steadman certainly seems to be the man when it comes to knee injuries.

 

I think even if they do use an alternative method though, this may still be one injury too far for Michael.

 

Ever since that first hammy against Leeds (which seems an eternity ago) he hasn't ever quite been the same player, so every further injury he has I do fear the worst for him...

[The walters step over]

I was chatting to a physio last night about various footy injuries and we got thinking about Owen's possible recovery.

 

Anyone know which other top players have had the same (ACL) injury and made a full recovery? I have heard people mention van Nistelrooy a few times, but who else? It'd be interesting to know if any of these who have recovered fully had strong hamstrings beforehand because apparently the reconstruction of the ACL involves taking part of the hamstring away - with Michael's previous hamstring problems, I wonder if this really could be the beginning of the end for him ??

 

Didn't Xavi come back from one to play in this WC? I think it only took him around 6 months to come back. Either way, Owen will play again in the Prem but I don't think that it'll be the biggest shock ever if within the next two years he retires from the game because he physically can't cope with the demands of top flight football.

[smithdown]

Steadman certainly seems to be the man when it comes to knee injuries.

 

 

 

He's like the Ken Morse of knees that fella.

[Boca]

not quite mate, as far as i recall.

 

henke broke his leg (badly, double compound fracture, like dijb's etc etc) in a european match in france for celtic. i don't think he did, but he might have broken something else before joining celtic but i didn't follow his career before then so can't be sure.

 

his cruciate injury was when playing for barca - it wasn't the full ACL owen-type deal, much more like bolo's @ anfield last season. they deffo both attempted to carry on playing under the physio's orders before breaking down & getting subbed [actually, from memory, i think bolo just limped off at the end of the match - can anyone set me straight?].

 

Oh yeah. I forgot about the injury he had at Barca.

[vish]

he'll be fine. There was (apparently) no other damage to the knee - just a clean tear of the ACL.

 

It's an injury that most footballers dread because it can happen very easily, and its quite a lengthy layoff.

 

With proper rehabilitation the operated knee should be stronger than the non-operated one. Statistics show that you are more likely to injure your other knee, than the repaired one.

 

Other players who've had the injury/surgery that I can remember are Shearer, Pires & Baggio. Our own Zenden.

 

Baggio played football again 80 days after the injury. He accelerated his rehab to get to the `94 World Cup.

Edited July 4, 2006 by Vish

[vish]

Pongolle too

[sammy knucklz]

Oh yeah. I forgot about the injury he had at Barca.

 

[RP]

So no-one knows of any previous 'recoverees' who had previously had repeated hamstring problems?

 

Hmm.

 

he'll be fine. There was (apparently) no other damage to the knee - just a clean tear of the ACL.

 

It's an injury that most footballers dread because it can happen very easily, and its quite a lengthy layoff.

 

With proper rehabilitation the operated knee should be stronger than the non-operated one. Statistics show that you are more likely to injure your other knee, than the repaired one.

 

Other players who've had the injury/surgery that I can remember are Shearer, Pires & Baggio. Our own Zenden.

 

Baggio played football again 80 days after the injury. He accelerated his rehab to get to the `94 World Cup.

 

 

As I understand it, it is a "rupture" and the ligament is now floating around in the knee. I don't recall the details of Baggio's injury but if he had a full rupture he would hardly have been walking in 80 days, never mind playing. At least that is what I was told yesterday by an experienced professional.

[Gilps]

This thread is surely the only place where Florent Sinama-Pongolle is ever going to be directly compared to Roberto Baggio.

[vish]

So no-one knows of any previous 'recoverees' who had previously had repeated hamstring problems?

 

Hmm.

As I understand it, it is a "rupture" and the ligament is now floating around in the knee. I don't recall the details of Baggio's injury but if he had a full rupture he would hardly have been walking in 80 days, never mind playing. At least that is what I was told yesterday by an experienced professional.

 

Full rupture/tear or not, it shouldn't make a lot of difference. I spoke to plenty of Physios & Surgeons about this before my surgery.

 

Like I said, unless he has other damage in his knee, he should be fine. The jarring of the knee will cause swelling, and the ACL tear will result in some bleeding. Once this swelling/fluid is reduced, he should have a painless but unstable knee.

Edited July 4, 2006 by Vish

[RP]

Full rupture/tear or not, it doesn't make a lot of difference. I spoke to plenty of Physios & Surgeons about this before my surgery.

 

Like I said, unless he has other damage in his knee, he should be fine. The jarring of the knee will cause swelling, and the ACL tear will result in some bleeding. Once this swelling/fluid is reduced, he should have a painless but unstable knee.

 

 

LOL. I'll take your word for it then. Rather than the highly-qualified, very experienced lady I was talking to.

 

So it is the jarring of the knee that causes the swelling is it? Nothing to do with the surrounding muscles going into severe 'spasm' (not the word she used but I can't f***ing remember the term she used ).

 

And there's no/minimal difference between a tear and a full rupture?

 

 

Anyway, my main point remains as questioning the effect the 'usual' method of operation might have on his hamstrings (with which he has historically had problems).

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

another factor - assuming he's not back until after christmas, not a wild assumption, he'll be 27, recovering from a cruciate injury & without having played in a year.

 

that'll take some while to get back from.

 

that said, i hope he breaks that manc t***'s int'l scoring record

[vish]

LOL. I'll take your word for it then. Rather than the highly-qualified, very experienced lady I was talking to.

 

So it is the jarring of the knee that causes the swelling is it? Nothing to do with the surrounding muscles going into severe 'spasm' (not the word she used but I can't f***ing remember the term she used ).

 

And there's no/minimal difference between a tear and a full rupture?

Anyway, my main point remains as questioning the effect the 'usual' method of operation might have on his hamstrings (with which he has historically had problems).

 

you can LOL all you like... but speaking to a Physio about surgery is like asking to a Steward what its like to play at the World Cup.

Edited July 4, 2006 by Vish

[RP]

you can LOL all you like... but speaking to a Physio about surgery is like asking to a Steward what its like to play at the World Cup.

 

 

Except it isn't in this particular case.

 

And asking an ex-patient about surgery is like asking someone sat in the stands what it's like to play in the World Cup ???

 

 

 

Anyway, back to the main point of the thread ...

Edited July 4, 2006 by RP

[Morgul]

Wouldn't surprise me if he retires after the next euros. Can't see him playing when he's 30 if he keeps getting these injuries.

[vish]

Anyway, back to the main point of the thread ...

 

Edited July 4, 2006 by Vish

[Cooldude]

Mendieta did his, didn't he? Two years ago I think with Boro. Where's he been since?

 

Can only speak of ACL victims over here Down Under who plays Aussie Rules, ACL occurs a lot more often in AFL than in Football. There are two methods of an ACL surgery, one is of course as you mentioned: Removing part of the Hamstring Tendon to reach the ACL, the other involves some other tendon which I couldn't quite remember which it was.

 

Many AFL footballers who's had ACLs and went through with the first method has had constant hamstring problems, almost chronic. It wouldn't be good for Mickey if that's the case

 

But the rate of footballers down here recovering almost fully from ACLs have increased quite a lot in recent years, but of course there are also those who are never the same again.

[Tosh]

Mikey really has made some bad decisions...

 

[Garduen]

Mendieta did his, didn't he? Two years ago I think with Boro. Where's he been since?

 

Can only speak of ACL victims over here Down Under who plays Aussie Rules, ACL occurs a lot more often in AFL than in Football. There are two methods of an ACL surgery, one is of course as you mentioned: Removing part of the Hamstring Tendon to reach the ACL, the other involves some other tendon which I couldn't quite remember which it was.

 

Many AFL footballers who's had ACLs and went through with the first method has had constant hamstring problems, almost chronic. It wouldn't be good for Mickey if that's the case

 

But the rate of footballers down here recovering almost fully from ACLs have increased quite a lot in recent years, but of course there are also those who are never the same again.

 

As you mention, there have been several AFL players who I can think of that that have had as many as 3 reconstructions and still kept playing. The second area that they can take a graft from is the Patella tendon which provides a comparable recovery time to the hamstring tendon operation. I have had both types done and if anything I have had less ongoing problems with the knee that had the graft taken from the Patella tendon. The last option that you can see being used these days is they take grafts from the Achilles tendon of cadavers - the one that springs to mind is two of the Australian Freestyle Aerial Ski Jumpers (can't remember names). The strength of this graft is not meant to be as good but it somehow allows a greater speed of recovery.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

Doing your cruciates doesn't mean you can't walk - a la breaking your leg - to a normal punter it's not all that. To a sportsman it's a big injury

[Cooldude]

Nowadays, even if you break your leg, the recovery means that the bone will probably be as strong as before.

 

A knee though is a completely different matter, whether it's medial, ACL, or PCL, there are always complications.

[Guest Kermit]

Pics in this mornings press show Micheal walking again...

 

pics taken at the Denver airport.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Watched a video clip. Owen walked without crutches.

[StevieC]

I think a lot of ACL injuries go hand in hand with injuries to the medial collateral ligament and one other I can't remember the name of, which is why they often take so long to recover from (+ poor blood supply).

 

 

Just had both repaired- will be back running in thee weeks apparently.

 

which is nice.

 

No hamstring involved though although ligament tears are graded 1-3 and it also depends on whether there is damage to the tendons too.

[Cobs]

Newcastle are saying Owen is gonna have an operation on his ACL in about 8 weeks....