It's time for retrospective video evidence

[Bailo]

Numero uno on my hitlist, players grabbing their face when minimal or no contact is made. Automatic 1 game ban in tournaments, 2 in leagues.

 

Numero dos, dives. Same punishments as before.

 

Numero tres, waving cards. Yellow card offence (as it seemed to be earlier on in this WC, stopped now, probably as teams would be down to 8 each)

 

Also, once a free-kick is made, NO-ONE from the offended team is allowed to approach the ref. Yellow card if they do. ONLY the captain and the offender from the opposite team is to TALK to the ref, and they are only allowed to inquire as to why the freekick was given.

 

It's this s*** that is spoiling this World Cup for me, I can count the dangerous tackles on one hand, and most of those have gone unpunished. Ribery's tonight on Torres (I think) was a shocker.

[Sir Tokyo Sexwale]

good points. The waving the card thing, refs should book for anyway - ungentlemanly conduct

[Cam]

would also add yellow card for shirt pulls and body holding at corners

And gridiron-style blocks at corners & freekicks (Bolton & Chelsea fecked).

[Tosh]

And refs have to allow the quick free kick - as the current rule seems to support the foulers who want to slow play down and get back in position

 

And something has to be done about those that having dived, roll around in agony as if they've been shot, get the trainer on, go off for a drink and are right as ninepence 20 seconds later. Perhaps they should try egg chasing for a few games...

[John am Rhein]

We were talking about this the other night (I expect a lot of people were).

 

I reckon there should be

 

1) retrospective video review for diving/Figo-like incidents/etc. - with quite severe penalties to reflect the fact that they actually got away with it during the match - it has to be a a deterrent

 

2) something like the 'sin bin' they have in rugby

 

3) more officials on the field - more like an NFL officals crew - more people mean more likely to spot things

 

would also add yellow card for shirt pulls and body holding at corners

 

This seems to be a gray area (?)

 

I've heard it claimed that a penalty can't be awarded while the ball's out of play i.e. just before a corner is taken.

 

Is this actually true? If so perhaps the rule should be changed?

[Will]

Use the special sprays when marking the wall distance in free kicks.

What special sprays?

[Cobs]

What special sprays?

a chalk spray would do

 

 

a small dot where the free kick is to be taken from and then a small line indicating 10 yards.

 

Book the attacker who tries to move the ball forward, book the defender who encroaches within the 10 yards.

[Guest Kev]

Yes deffo. It wouldn't be hard in a competition like the World Cup for a number of people to sit down the day after a match and go over the cards dished out by the referee.

 

A player (remember Blanc in 98) missing out on the biggest match in the world because an opponent cheated is not on, and should be reversed. Zidane was booked last night for a nothing challenge, infact in my opinion he got the ball. If France get to the final another booking for him in the semis would rule him out because a ref got it wrong, and that is not right.

[Coyler]

A player (remember Blanc in 98) missing out on the biggest match in the world because an opponent cheated is not on, and should be reversed. Zidane was booked last night for a nothing challenge, infact in my opinion he got the ball. If France get to the final another booking for him in the semis would rule him out because a ref got it wrong, and that is not right.

Jesus, I get so mad when I think of the Blanc suspension.

 

Vieira and Brazil's Juan are just two who should have been yellow carded for the other card-waving thing.

[Guest Anders Honoré]

Numero uno on my hitlist, players grabbing their face when minimal or no contact is made. Automatic 1 game ban in tournaments, 2 in leagues.

 

Numero dos, dives. Same punishments as before.

 

Numero tres, waving cards. Yellow card offence (as it seemed to be earlier on in this WC, stopped now, probably as teams would be down to 8 each)

 

Also, once a free-kick is made, NO-ONE from the offended team is allowed to approach the ref. Yellow card if they do. ONLY the captain and the offender from the opposite team is to TALK to the ref, and they are only allowed to inquire as to why the freekick was given.

 

It's this s*** that is spoiling this World Cup for me, I can count the dangerous tackles on one hand, and most of those have gone unpunished. Ribery's tonight on Torres (I think) was a shocker.

 

Agree, especially about the fourth point. Refs ought to let make it much more clear that they will adress whom they please but the only ones who address the ref is the captains and the offender in case. That is why we have captains in the first place.

[Guest Cacodemon]

Also, I'd like to see Henry pick up a ban for his blatant attempt to get Puyol Red carded last night - there is no place for that kind of behaviour in football, but the thing is - FIFA still haven't done anything about it.

 

France '98 - Slavan Bilic gets Blanc suspended for pretending to have been struck in the face.

 

Japan '02 - Rivaldo was it that clutched his face when the ball hit him somewhere near the knee?!?

 

Germany '06 - Henry gets struck in the chest by the arm of Puyol and he falls to the floor clutching his face.

 

...it's got to be stopped.

Edited June 28, 2006 by Cacodemon

[McBain]

Once a foul is given, any player that doesn't immediately retreat from the ball is booked

 

Also, any fouls on players called David Beckham to be allowed providing they do damage

[Stevie H]

Jesus, I get so mad when I think of the Blanc suspension.

 

Vieira and Brazil's Juan are just two who should have been yellow carded for the other card-waving thing.

 

juan's behaviour yesterday was disgusting.

[£440,000]

They should use video evidence during the games. If the video evidence is clear enough then the ref can be informed of what really happened. Spain should have had a freekick near the left corner flag just before the Fremch went ahead last night and I don't think Puyol fouled Henry at all. Those decisions could have been overturned and the result would undoubtedly have been affected.

 

The second Brazil goal and the Italian penalty could have been avoided as well. Both were bad decisions that had a decisive impact on the matches concerned.

[Stevie H]

They should use video evidence during the games. If the video evidence is clear enough then the ref can be informed of what really happened. Spain should have had a freekick near the left corner flag just before the Fremch went ahead last night and I don't think Puyol fouled Henry at all. Those decisions could have been overturned and the result would undoubtedly have been affected.

 

The second Brazil goal and the Italian penalty could have been avoided as well. Both were bad decisions that had a decisive impact on the matches concerned.

 

disagree entirely about using replays within games. if you questioned and reviewed every free-kick in a game then you'd end up like gridiron with the match lasting about 5 hours.

[Bailo]

disagree entirely about using replays within games. if you questioned and reviewed every free-kick in a game then you'd end up like gridiron with the match lasting about 5 hours.

Not every free-kick. Ball over line incidents and red cards (ref has the option to look at it again, doesn't need to take it) only IMO.

 

Everything else retrospectively, offsides are part of the game and should be kept that way. some may disagree with that though.

[ion]

The beauty of using video evidence after games means that players know they will be caught. After a couple of weeks everyone will have stopped trying to cheat the ref and video evidence during games will have been rendered redundant except for the most minor infractions. Given that the ref will now have a lot less to watch out for, chances are he'll pick most of those up anyway..

[Coyler]

Is part of the unwillingness to introduce this post-match video scrutiny got to do with the fact that it would undermine the authority of the referee? Do they not realize that they're a laughing stock anyway, if this is the case?

[£440,000]

disagree entirely about using replays within games. if you questioned and reviewed every free-kick in a game then you'd end up like gridiron with the match lasting about 5 hours.

 

I don't think that would have to be true. It wouldn't have to be a case of reviewing every decision but the video ref letting the actual ref if he thought he'd got it wrong. With some of the wrong decisions we've seen in the past few days, it would've only taken seconds for someone watching a replay of the incident to make the correct decision.

Edited June 28, 2006 by £440,000

[ion]

Every time the issue's brought up the giving conflicting reasons for not using it... undermining the referee, taking the human element out of the game, the refs need more help from the players and clubs etc... Personally, I honest to God believe that it would simply mean a lot of work which the authorities don't want to do.

[John am Rhein]

disagree entirely about using replays within games. if you questioned and reviewed every free-kick in a game then you'd end up like gridiron with the match lasting about 5 hours.

 

Exactly right, IMO.

 

After the game - ok. During the game - would create more problems than it would solve.

[Bailo]

I don't think that would have to be true. It wouldn't have to be a case of reviewing every decision but the video ref letting the actual ref if he thought he'd got it wrong. With some of the wrong decisions we've seen in the past few days, it would've only taken seconds for someone watching a replay of the incident to make the correct decision.

We actually saw a little bit of that yesterday didn't we, though without the 4th official? The corner was given to France and then the ref reversed his decision as his linesman contacted him to give a handball against Henry.

[Coyler]

I don't understand why they don't have an offside official up in the stands for a better view or even watching on a monitor or up in a blimp with a pair of binoculars. Why can't he be the one with a flag or a buzzer?

 

The linesman can't physically see kicker, last defender, and attacker at the same time.

[£440,000]

We actually saw a little bit of that yesterday didn't we, though without the 4th official? The corner was given to France and then the ref reversed his decision as his linesman contacted him to give a handball against Henry.

 

So why can't the same principle work with someone having a monitor in the stands?

[Bailo]

So why can't the same principle work with someone having a monitor in the stands?

Do I look like Sepp Blatter?!

 

Totally agree, would be quicker if the process was known to players, yesterday it took a while for Zidane and Henry to realise what was going on.