Question

[anny road]

those who last yeat year were beating there fists in frustration at the lack of achievment in the transfer market........

 

What do you think a year on?

 

Bellamy, Palletta and probably Gonzalez, Aurolio & Alves in

 

only one other target to secure

 

the fact that Alves was sought after but only wants in at our place, ditto Bellamy

 

would you say that Parry has done a decent job this time?

 

thoughts

[DazzlaJ]

Fight Parry and Sack Dave

[anny road]

Fight Parry and Sack Dave

 

 

Moores?

[Rimbeux]

Much better

 

However it's dressed up, whomever was responsible, we went in light last season, a year on, there looks no danger of that, pats on the back all round.

[Lee W]

Much better

 

However it's dressed up, whomever was responsible, we went in light last season, a year on, there looks no danger of that, pats on the back all round.

 

Agreed.

[David Hodgson]

those who last yeat year were beating there fists in frustration at the lack of achievment in the transfer market........

 

What do you think a year on?

 

Bellamy, Palletta and probably Gonzalez, Aurolio & Alves in

 

only one other target to secure

 

the fact that Alves was sought after but only wants in at our place, ditto Bellamy

 

would you say that Parry has done a decent job this time?

 

thoughts

 

Anger at Rick Parry last year was far more about other issues, like nearly losing Steven Gerrard, the ongoing floundering around the investment and stadium issues. The brinkmanship in the transfer market that left us far more empty handed than Rafa clearly would have liked, was the icing on the cake.

 

 

However, contrary to popular perception, I, for one, don't have any anti-Parry agenda. I really don't care that much about him or the other men in suits at the club. Whilst the team on the pitch is progressing he can f*ck off to Barbados every week for all I care.

 

This summer I'm hugely excited by the quality of our signings, and don't care that we're going to get all the quality we need for a net spend of under £15m. The difference a year makes is that last summer, despite Istanbul, we all knew the team needed major surgery and wanted to see Rafa get the tools for the job. This year is entirely different. We're talking about fine tuning a well oiled machine.

 

Does Parry get credit for the new scenario ? Not particularly, I'm afraid. Signing the players Rafa wants and raising £10-15m net is the minimum requirement. Are you seriously saying we should be prasing Parry for Bellamy's signing, for instance ?

[anny road]

Anger at Rick Parry last year was far more about other issues, like nearly losing Steven Gerrard, the ongoing floundering around the investment and stadium issues. The brinkmanship in the transfer market that left us far more empty handed than Rafa clearly would have liked, was the icing on the cake.

However, contrary to popular perception, I, for one, don't have any anti-Parry agenda. I really don't care that much about him or the other men in suits at the club. Whilst the team on the pitch is progressing he can f*ck off to Barbados every week for all I care.

 

This summer I'm hugely excited by the quality of our signings, and don't care that we're going to get all the quality we need for a net spend of under £15m. The difference a year makes is that last summer, despite Istanbul, we all knew the team needed major surgery and wanted to see Rafa get the tools for the job. This year is entirely different. We're talking about fine tuning a well oiled machine.

 

Does Parry get credit for the new scenario ? Not particularly, I'm afraid. Signing the players Rafa wants and raising £10-15m net is the minimum requirement. Are you seriously saying we should be prasing Parry for Bellamy's signing, for instance ?

 

 

fair enough

 

As for Parry's roile, well i assume it is Parry who is doing the negotiations and not Benitez? He identifies the players and Parry et al try to secure them

 

The Bellamy one seems pretty easy (as I was told it was he who informed us of his availability and release clause)

 

But I think to say you dont have a Parry agenda then claim that he can take no responsibiility for capturing players is ridiculous...by that score you cant have a go at him when things f*** up

 

also why would anyone be concerned that we will have soent £10m - 15m net? Surely thats good

[bazz]

Aurelio & Alves are still transfer speculation and we have signed them yet.

 

Gonzalez transfer still isn't finalised (well permit anyway)

 

The only players signed are Bellamy and Palletta, is it not a bit soon to be patting people on backs?

 

We still need a RM and a Striker

[Gomez]

I think it's a fuggin disgrace.

 

If we sign Alves next week then we are in very realy danger of having only Kuyt to talk about for the next 2 months.

 

How dull will that be? and no doubt Parry with his usually fuggin efficiency will probably tie that one up when the WC ends and then where will be?

 

A whole fuggin forum of formation threads, that's where!

[Stew F]

With the benefit of hindsight, as frustrating as it was at the time, I think we did all we could to secure some really tasty players.

Figo would have been a great signing but the decision was out of our hands.

Simao again would have been great but again with hindsight Rafa was right not to be held to randsome.

 

The fact that our manager can get ordinary players to play well above themselves in this team means that big name or big money transfers are not as important as having the right players with the right attitude playing in the right position.

 

Would last seasons activity have been seen as a diaster if we had got either Simao or Figo?

[Senrab_nhoj]

frustrated that the posts seem to reflect that if we have a good signing its all down to Rafa, and if, for whatever reason, the deal falls through, then its all Parry's fault...

[monkey puzzle]

Last year we achieved what we set out to do - a much improved league campaign and another trophy in the cabinet. The fact we didn't secure Figo or Simao was frustrating but perhaps the money we saved there can and will be used this summer. In hindsight and the fact we have the best manager on the planet it worked out fine last season (second would of been a remarkable achievement) but we seem to be completing the deals Rafa wants to this summer.

 

Sack Parry.

[Gravy]

Anger at Rick Parry last year was far more about other issues, like nearly losing Steven Gerrard, the ongoing floundering around the investment and stadium issues. The brinkmanship in the transfer market that left us far more empty handed than Rafa clearly would have liked, was the icing on the cake.

However, contrary to popular perception, I, for one, don't have any anti-Parry agenda. I really don't care that much about him or the other men in suits at the club. Whilst the team on the pitch is progressing he can f*ck off to Barbados every week for all I care.

 

This summer I'm hugely excited by the quality of our signings, and don't care that we're going to get all the quality we need for a net spend of under £15m. The difference a year makes is that last summer, despite Istanbul, we all knew the team needed major surgery and wanted to see Rafa get the tools for the job. This year is entirely different. We're talking about fine tuning a well oiled machine.

 

Does Parry get credit for the new scenario ? Not particularly, I'm afraid. Signing the players Rafa wants and raising £10-15m net is the minimum requirement. Are you seriously saying we should be prasing Parry for Bellamy's signing, for instance ?

 

Agree completely. Rafa is cutting his cloth accordingly and is not spending much of a net outlay as yet. If he was suddenly spending 30 million net then the money would be coming from somewhere and Parry would have found it. Like DH says though, what work did Parry have to do on Bellamy and also on any free tranfers we get? Oh, and you can't group Gonzalez in there as he hasn't done much on that has he?

[Stevie H]

frustrated that the posts seem to reflect that if we have a good signing its all down to Rafa, and if, for whatever reason, the deal falls through, then its all Parry's fault...

 

well said.

[Guest 3an86]

frustrated that the posts seem to reflect that if we have a good signing its all down to Rafa, and if, for whatever reason, the deal falls through, then its all Parry's fault...

 

yep, bang on. feels as if theres a f***ing big band-wagon for parry's head and there's not much space left on it. he's bringing in players, bringing in quality, which is what rafa wants. another point is that he's working through the world cup to achieve this which i find is quality when you look at the other clubs we're competing with who've done f*** all in the market.

[monkey puzzle]

frustrated that the posts seem to reflect that if we have a good signing its all down to Rafa, and if, for whatever reason, the deal falls through, then its all Parry's fault...

 

 

Sack Rafa?

[Rimbeux]

another point is that he's working through the world cup to achieve this which i find is quality when you look at the other clubs we're competing with who've done f*** all in the market.

 

I've got to pull you up on that last point, it's not true at all

[Kahnee]

Where's Cally and Chunk when you need a good fight

[beejay]

I'm pretty happy with the way the club is run, on the whole.

 

Seeing that f***g clown Shepherd on the TV every 5 mins moaning & whinging makes me SO glad that we have some dignity in the boardroom.

 

We usually do compete in the transfer market in terms of fees & wages, the ticketing is way, way improved from 2 or 3 seasons ago and it's right that the club is ultra cautious about the huge spend on the new stadium.

 

The prospect of being bought out concerns me because we have always been a "family" club run for the benefit of the team not the shareholders, so I would be happy to see us continue as we are and if there is any new money coming in, it should be by way of sponsorship (stadium naming rights etc) rather than through change of control at the top.

[Guest Ant]

I don't have much of a choice to express an opinion on parry when you live with a person who pretty much wants him to die.

 

However I do feel he has improved in that sense, if he gets the stadium issue sorted out by august he very well could of had a very good year.

[Leo No.8]

The only thing which really got my goat with Parry was the shambolic attempt to sign Simao, the last minute scramble, failure and resulting embarrassment seemed shockingly amateur.

 

Overall I think he's OK, and this time round, one more striker and the completion of Alves would for me be the most exciting summer of transfer activity in a long time.

 

I think basically the whole 'Sack Parry' thing has become a bit of a running joke, but people shouldn't take it too seriously - I'm sure he does a fine job overall.

[Benitez]

I don't have much of a choice to express an opinion on parry when you live with a person who pretty much wants him to die.

 

 

 

 

your dad really needs to get over the sale of Emile Heskey

[Guest Ant]

your dad really needs to get over the sale of Emile Heskey

 

 

You Don't Say, He virtually prays for his return of a night time, I can hear him...

 

Emile HeskeyClap Clap Clap

[Benitez]

You Don't Say, He virtually prays for his return of a night time, I can hear him...

 

Emile HeskeyClap Clap Clap

 

 

I do worry about him, it's not healthy this need to have Heskey back here!

[David Hodgson]

fair enough

 

As for Parry's roile, well i assume it is Parry who is doing the negotiations and not Benitez? He identifies the players and Parry et al try to secure them

 

The Bellamy one seems pretty easy (as I was told it was he who informed us of his availability and release clause)

 

But I think to say you dont have a Parry agenda then claim that he can take no responsibiility for capturing players is ridiculous...by that score you cant have a go at him when things f*** up

 

also why would anyone be concerned that we will have soent £10m - 15m net? Surely thats good

 

The word 'agenda' seems to be used round these parts to imply there's some sort of prejudice or bias for or against an individual.

 

I am more than happy to give Rick Parry praise when it's due. When he delivers a fantastic investment package and funds a superb new stadium I will be among the first to say that his patient, measured approach and has paid dividends. If he pulls off a genuine coup in thetransfer market, likewise.

 

Let the record show, that I am currently Parry-neutral. I neither feel he's doing a great job, nor do I have any inclination to criticise him.

 

PS what i meant about the spend was that there have been times over the past year or so when it certainly looked like Rafa would need substantial transfer funds for this summer. Paper talk implied Rafa was 'demanding' £30m (presumably netto). The progress Rafa has made and the availability of good targets at really good prices (Bellamy at 6m, Pennant at 3m, Aurelio free etc) has meant that a net spend of 10-15m shoudl suffice this summer, and whilst that's obviously a good thing, it must also be a relief for the Anfield money men that the 'job' can be done so cheaply.

 

 

You see I just don't get this.

 

You have to be wrong on one account.

 

The team did not get major surgery and so effectively, the same group of players has become your well oiled machine. So, either it didn't need the major surgery in the first place, or it still does and the players over achieved last season. You can't have it both ways.

 

Not 'verachieved' because that implies a one -off. What did happen is that Rafa achieved more than could be expected in elevating the resources he had (and he should be able to sustain them at that level).

 

You're just using hindsight, because all agreed last summer that the team needed 'major surgery'. Even rafa wanted to go into that season with an expensive new winger and forward. The fact that fears proved ill-founded is a tribute to Rafa's skill, not a testimony to the fact that assessments last summer were wrong.