Chain reaction: Ferguson -> Glazer

[aka Dus]

On Chain Reaction on RTE2 in Ireland last night they posited the following;

 

Ferguson meets Magnier at Epsom and they hit it off as Fergie is getting the bug for the fillies. The insinuation is made that Ferguson likes to mix with the upper classes and talk about fine wines etc.

Magnier proposes Ferguson to give some keynote speech at a breeder's dinner. The toffs will have none of it (shipbuilder's son/Scottish etc.) and Magnier decides to give Ferguson a share of his horse so Fergie can't be excluded again.

 

->-> Rock of Gibraltar performs beyond all expectations. At this point the programme says Ferguson got dollar signs in his eyes and sends a letter to Coolmore asking when he can start expecting his stud fees. He's told that no such agreement exists and the situation deteriorates to the point of Ferguson suing.

 

->->Magnier considers it ungentlemanly and vulgar to involve the courts but is just as stubborn as Fergie. Cubic Expression increase their shareholding as part of a strategy to pressure Fergie's bosses to get him to drop the case. They then send a list of 99 questions to the board asking how the club is run etc.

 

->->The fan protests at some racing festival force the 2 sides to settle (Fergie gets £2.5m).

 

End of story? No.

 

->->The furore attracted the interest of the Glazers who heretofore had not had an interest in the PLC. A large shareholder pissed off at a global brand? Hmmm.

 

->->Cubic's increased holding allowed the Glazers to negotiate first with them and settle a deal before going to the rest of the shareholders in an invincible position.

 

->->A few years later and United are in debt to the tune of £500-700m after being in the black for the enitire Prem era.

 

->->Bottom line, the programme says, if Fergie had kept his greedy mouth shut or even just not gone to court, Cubic would never have increased their holdings and rattled the board, United would never have been on the Glazer radar, and there wouldn't have been a massive block of shares there to be negotiated for to leverage a buy out.

 

 

If you made it this far, congratulations. (The programme had pictures and that though.) I thought it was funny and tied in beautifully with what so many of us on here were saying at the time and what so many of our guest Manchester United dans were denying.

[johngibo YPC]

there is an article on Magnier in this months Observer Sport Monthly. A bit long for a non racing fan, but it does cover the ferguson thing. Apparantly you don't f*** with the Coolmore Mafia

[matty]

i dislike Magnier for the reason that he keeps all his old badges from the Member's Enclosure tied to his coat. Which is a c***'s behaviour.

[R A Softlad]

Saw the ads when I was in Dublin the last few days but came back to Liverpool yesterday afternoon.

[Ostrich Man]

cant have the fat f*** who introduces it.

[smithdown]

I thought it was funny and tied in beautifully with what so many of us on here were saying at the time and what so many of our guest Manchester United dans were denying.

 

 

 

Poor ol top notch. He was going to lobby the European Parliament to get Magnier thrown into jail at one point, remember that?

 

Delusional fools.

 

Here's another one for them. Fcum charge 7 squid to go and watch a team at the bottom of the league ladder, have no ground and no overheads and attract crowds of 2000 plus who follow the nonleague netto version of the 'brand'. They're being had off again by a mini-glazer.

[Murphman]

Top Notch hmmmm... I'd forgotten about him, the man who after I had a go at him tried to start a thread

 

'Murphman, what makes you a better supporter than me?'

 

It was closed before anybody could remind him he's a manc therefore it's a 'gimmee'.

 

Whatever happened to him, did he finally give up being called a c*nt all the time?

Edited May 19, 2006 by Murphman

[smithdown]

Disappeared on or around 25/5/05 didn't he?

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Disappeared on or around 25/5/05 didn't he?

really - I wounder why?

[Guest Scot]

Never been able to bring myself to care about all this. Nor am I convinced that the Glazer involvement is bad for Man U.

[Cobs]

Never been able to bring myself to care about all this. Nor am I convinced that the Glazer involvement is bad for Man U.

aye - Alex Ferguson is a cn*t is all you need to know

[Tones]

Disappeared on or around 25/5/05 didn't he?

 

last seen spouting b******s at HT on that date

[Murphman]

last seen spouting b******s at HT on that date

 

 

Is that true? Fecking hell I HOPE so.

[Woodsyla]

Here's another one for them. Fcum charge 7 squid to go and watch a team at the bottom of the league ladder, have no ground and no overheads and attract crowds of 2000 plus who follow the nonleague netto version of the 'brand'. They're being had off again by a mini-glazer.

 

I don't get this, I've got no problem with EITHER AFC Wimbledon or FC United fans, both feel they have been sold down the river by their club and both are real match going fans the majority of who have stopped going to see the 'real' version of the side.

 

They should be f***ing applauded in my opinion. Thankfully MK b*****d Dons are going down the tubes but unfortunately Man U never will, anyonewho defects from that 'brand' on principle I've got no problem with.

 

That's £14000 a match, it's not exactly coining it in is it ?

 

Their manifesto :

 

'The Manifesto: Who We Are and What We Mean

 

FC United of Manchester is a new football club founded by disaffected and disenfranchised Manchester United supporters. Our aim is to create a sustainable club for the long term which is owned and democratically run by its members, which is accessible to all the communities of Manchester and one in which they can participate fully.'

 

Money grabbing b******s

 

P.S.

 

Karen Turner paid a heartfelt thanks to all the FC United and Telford United fans who attended the Bucks Head Stadium on Saturday to raise money and awareness for her husband Jamie.

 

More than £6,000 was raised on the day as 1,359 people turned out to support the family who?s lives have been turned upside-down since the father of two was attacked before the Southampton ? Manchester United fixture a year ago.

[smithdown]

I don't get this, I've got no problem with EITHER AFC Wimbledon or FC United fans, both feel they have been sold down the river by their club and both are real match going fans the majority of who have stopped going to see the 'real' version of the side.

 

They should be f***ing applauded in my opinion. Thankfully MK b*****d Dons are going down the tubes but unfortunately Man U never will, anyonewho defects from that 'brand' on principle I've got no problem with.

 

That's £14000 a match, it's not exactly coining it in is it ?

 

Their manifesto :

 

'The Manifesto: Who We Are and What We Mean

 

FC United of Manchester is a new football club founded by disaffected and disenfranchised Manchester United supporters. Our aim is to create a sustainable club for the long term which is owned and democratically run by its members, which is accessible to all the communities of Manchester and one in which they can participate fully.'

 

Money grabbing b******s

 

 

 

 

They are charging 7 notes to watch a team at the bottom of the ladder, well in excess of anyone else around them. The players don't get paid half a grand a week, they have little or no overheads - so where is the abnormal profit going? Nobody seems to know...

 

All this grassroots stuff on their part is a joke. I know lads who travel past dozens of nonleague sides to go to watch fcum play and pay over the odds, just cos they wear a fake mufc kit. They are like a netto version of the mancs. If glazer had thought this idea up, they would be going bezerk and boycotting that as well. 14k a week (as a minimum) isnt exactly bad business now is it? If I set up a fake Liverpool team with my mates and could rake in that kind of cash I'd be doing quite well for myself.

 

To abandon mufc cos of profiteering and then jogging in and paying out to this lot makes me laugh.

[aka Dus]

What makes me laugh is why all these FCUM founders and general fat mouthed ba5tards were in the 90s when United were lording it on the field and coining it off the field.

 

Running the club democratically didn't matter a fook then.

 

They exchanged one dictator for another and for some reason didn't like the one coming in. Merely because of the club entering debt? Xenophobia? Hypocrisy?

 

Like I said, it's all very sniggersome.

[John am Rhein]

Those unhappy with FCU's ticket prices should form a breakaway club.

[smithdown]

What makes me laugh is why all these FCUM founders and general fat mouthed ba5tards were in the 90s when United were lording it on the field and coining it off the field.

 

Running the club democratically didn't matter a fook then.

 

They exchanged one dictator for another and for some reason didn't like the one coming in. Merely because of the club entering debt? Xenophobia? Hypocrisy?

 

Like I said, it's all very sniggersome.

 

 

Suddenly, out of the blue, football has become a corporate business they will not have anything to do with. Football is ruined and they don't feel they 'own' the club anymore. They have always felt like this, they say, even when it was owned by the edwards family. That they never said or did anything until:

 

a) arsenal went unbeaten for a season

b) chelsea became the richest club in the world

 

and lets not forget

 

c) Liverpool became European Champions again

 

is all merely coincidence.

 

Football is now a BAD thing. And everyone is doomed to hell. I read a mate's copy of red issue and there was a full page article by one fella who compares his fortnightly trips to OT as akin to "sucking satan's c*ck". Imagine writing something like that about your feelings on going to the match? And we're the self-pity city? Laughed meself stupid over that I did.

 

(Fact is, the lads I know also have their OT season tickets and keep going to see both teams. I'm guessing a large proportion of fcum fans do the same but don't admit it to each other.)

 

It looks to me like they are being had over by some smartar*se marketing types who saw a gap in the market for whingeing mancs who wanted to see a team in their kit beating alehouse teams 10-0

 

Those unhappy with FCU's ticket prices should form a breakaway club.

 

 

Called FCIT

Edited May 22, 2006 by smithdown

[Woodsyla]

They are charging 7 notes to watch a team at the bottom of the ladder, well in excess of anyone else around them. The players don't get paid half a grand a week, they have little or no overheads - so where is the abnormal profit going? Nobody seems to know...

 

All this grassroots stuff on their part is a joke. I know lads who travel past dozens of nonleague sides to go to watch fcum play and pay over the odds, just cos they wear a fake mufc kit. They are like a netto version of the mancs. If glazer had thought this idea up, they would be going bezerk and boycotting that as well. 14k a week (as a minimum) isnt exactly bad business now is it? If I set up a fake Liverpool team with my mates and could rake in that kind of cash I'd be doing quite well for myself.

 

To abandon mufc cos of profiteering and then jogging in and paying out to this lot makes me laugh.

 

I prefer to read it as it is, fans setting up their own team after getting disenchanted, if the truth is murkier it would be a pity

 

On the plus side though how many seasons before AFC Wimbledon catch up with the MK Dons