Guest El Boss Posted May 11, 2006 Posted May 11, 2006 Whoops !! http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=367641&cc=5739
Guest Cardie Posted May 11, 2006 Posted May 11, 2006 Suprised they all went. Guirado was supposed to hang on until the end of september although at one point it looked ike he'd dig his heels in until next summer. As dodgy as they are it's a massive blow to Juve to lose Moggi (and possibly Cappelo?)
Ginu Posted May 11, 2006 Posted May 11, 2006 i haven't been following... does this mean games have been rigged in serie A?
fyds Posted May 11, 2006 Posted May 11, 2006 (edited) Taking on a thread with Matty about this the other day, and he thought being Italy, nothing would happen - I bet this time being wrong has never felt better! Edited May 11, 2006 by fyds
smithdown Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 I reckon he's still celebrating I thought he'd be leggin it in to work early today. I wonder if he was involved. Oh well that's an open and shut case. Anyone got Daniel Levy's phone number? We need to get his lawyers on the blower. Paris, here we come!
Cobs Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 They should be relegated to Serie C and banned from European Competition for 5 years for that
Leo No.8 Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 Hope Milan nick the title off them this week as well, although it's pretty unlikely...
Coyler Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 I wonder if he was involved. I think he actually was, in all seriousness, and his participation in the WC is looking dicey.
matty Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 Well, can I say first of all that I'm really disappointed by all this. :lol: De Santis is the ringleader of the little group of refs that Moggi has had in his pocket. What seems to have happened is this: Moggi has been very friendly with the guy who decides who refs which matches, and also, via his son's players agency, deciding who can play for who, and fixing matches through threatening the players who are managed by that agency. The 4 refs who are being investigated also have close ties to the agency. This finally seems to be the confirmation of what most have suspected for years. Problem is that we only have one year's worth of tapes of the Moggi conversations, from 2004. It will be difficult to prove that they've been at this for years unless someone turns supergrass. If they do, Inter should get at least 2 championships - 1998 and 2002. Yes, they should face severe sanctions - but we'll see....in the meantime
matty Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 just reading about this now. the two main issues regarding the refs are: 1 - favouring one team or another through decisions, and 2 - booking or sending off players so they are suspended for subsequent games. this latter is known as "the Moggi system". Here's the list of matches under investigation:Reggina-Juventus 2-1 (6-11-04)Lecce-Juventus 0-1 (14-11-04)Juventus-Lazio 2-1 (5-12-04)Fiorentina-Bologna 1-0 (5-12-04)Bologna-Juventus 0-1 (12-12-04)Juventus-Udinese 2-1 (13-2-05)Roma-Juventus 1-2 (5-3-05)Inter-Fiorentina 3-2 (20-3-05)Fiorentina-Juventus 3-3 (9-4-05)Chievo-Lazio 0-1 (20-2-05)Lazio-Parma 2-0 (27-2-05)Bologna-Lazio 1-2 (17-4-05)Siena-Milan 2-1 (17-4-05)Lazio-Fiorentina 1-1 (22-5-05)Chievo-Fiorentina 1-2 (8-5-05)Lecce-Parma 3-3 (29-5-05)Livorno-Siena 3-6 (8-5-05)Milan-Brescia 1-1 (10-4-05)Milan-Chievo 1-0 (24-4-05)Arezzo-Salernitana 2-0 (29-5-05). Here are the people being investigated:Club officials: Luciano Moggi, (direttore generale Juventus)Antonio Giraudo (amministratore delegato della Juventus)Andrea Della Valle (presidente Fiorentina) Diego Della Valle (presidente onorario Fiorentina) Claudio Lotito (presidente Lazio) Leonardo Meani (dirigente Milan)Sandro Mencucci (amministratore esecutivo Fiorentina) officials of the Italian FA: Franco Carraro (presidente Figc)Innocenzo Mazzini (vice presidente della Figc)Francesco Ghirelli (segretario Figc) Maria Grazia Fazi (impiegata Figc ed ex segretaria Can)Gennaro Mazzei (responsabile assistenti nella commissione Can) Referees and designating officers: Paolo Bergamo (ex designatore arbitri) Pier Luigi Pairetto (ex designatore arbitri) Tullio Lanese (presidente dell'Associazione italiana arbitri)Massimo De Santis (arbitro), Pasquale Rodomonti(arbitro)Paolo Bertini(arbitro) Paolo Dondarini(arbitro)Gianluca Rocchi (arbitro) Domenico Messina (arbitro) Marco Gabriele (arbitro)Salvatore Racalbuto (arbitro)Paolo Tagliavento (arbitro) Marco Ivaldi (assistente)Narciso Pisacreta (già assistente, ora vice commissario Can)Stefano Titomanlio (assistente)Duccio Baglioni (assistente)Enrico Ceniccola (assistente) Gabriele Contini (assistente) Carmine Alvino (assistente)Giuseppe Foschetti (assistente)Silvio Geminiani (assistente)Alessandro Griselli (assistente)Claudio Puglisi (assistente) Journalist: Ignazio Scardina (Raisport) Agent: Alessandro Moggi (amministratore GEA) Police: Francesco Attardi, (generale della Guardia di Finanza, membro dell'ufficio indagini della Federcalcio)Giuseppe Lasco (capitano Guardia di Finanza)Fabio Basili e Pierluigi Vitelli (poliziotti questura Roma).
floyd Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 Being going on, in Italy, since our semi against Inter in 1965
Guest Anders Honoré Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 how big is this? What repurcussions are we talking about? Could juve go the same way as Marseille?
stressederic Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 how big is this? What repurcussions are we talking about? Could juve go the same way as Marseille? Join the French league?
Sir Tokyo Sexwale Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 Being going on, in Italy, since our semi against Inter in 1965aye, bunch of c****
sirstan Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 how big is this? What repurcussions are we talking about? Could juve go the same way as Marseille? There is a precedent - AC Milan and Lazio were relegated from Serie A to Serie B in 1980 for match-fixing.Also last year Genoa won promotion to Serie A but were demoted to Serie C1 when found Guilty of fixng the final game to guarantee them promotion
Sir Tokyo Sexwale Posted May 14, 2006 Posted May 14, 2006 it's all going pear-shaped in Italy Italian football is in meltdown with the World Cup less than a month away. Four Serie A clubs stand accused of match-fixing, a referee and his assistants have been pulled off the World Cup list while being investigated for corruption, the Italy goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon may also miss the tournament as a result of a betting scandal, and several of the most senior figures at club and national level have been forced to resign. Italy's national game has been shaken by a barrage of allegations, with prosecutors in five Italian cities - Rome, Turin, Naples, Parma and Perugia - investigating claims of coercion of referees, threats and blackmail, illegal betting, false accounting and even a report of holding match officials against their will.If Buffon is found guilty of illegal betting - phone taps reveal the Juventus number one wagered as much as ?500,000 in a single bet in a series totalling over ?2 million - he could be kicked out of the Italy squad, which is due to be named tomorrow. Buffon was questioned by magistrates in Turin yesterday and his lawyer said that the bets were placed before the autumn of 2005, when new regulations came into force. The goalkeeper made no comment. Italy's coach, Marcello Lippi, has been forced publicly to deny claims that callups to the national side have been influenced by business interests. And the national team's captain, Fabio Cannavaro, has been implicated in further claims of skulduggery. Cannavaro is said to have deliberately underperformed at his former club, Inter, in order to facilitate a move to Juventus two years ago. Italy's FA are rudderless after their top two officials were forced to stand down, and prosecutors in Rome and Naples are probing GEA World, the management company that handles more transfers in Italy than any other. GEA World is run by Alessandro Moggi, son of Luciano Moggi, the man at the centre of the investigation. Moggi senior quit as general manager of Juventus after being heavily implicated. The authorities are looking into allegations of abuse of GEA's 'dominant position' in football and allege that both father and son used threats and violence to conduct their business. Moggi and Juventus chief executive Antonio Giraudo are additionally under investigation for allegedly locking a referee and his two assistants in a changing room at the end of Juve's match against Reggina in November 2004 and haranguing them for having failed to support the team, who lost the match 2-1. Coincidentally Juventus return to Reggina today needing a draw to clinch their 29th league title. What began last weekend in Turin with a ripple of rumours about manipulation of match officials rapidly became a tidal wave of scandal that by last Thursday had swept away the entire board of Juventus. If the club win the scudetto this afternoon, celebrations will be muted. Angry fans protested against Moggi outside the club's headquarters on Friday, knowing that if the club are convicted of 'sporting fraud' they could be relegated and even have past titles rescinded. The Turin tapes - from magistrates' telephone taps - implicated Moggi. When evidence from the tapes was leaked to the press, news emerged of the parallel undercover investigations in other cities. Fifty-eight people are under formal investigation, including 20 referees and assistant referees, a dozen club officials, eight journalists and 10 players' agents. Massimo De Santis, one of the two Italian referees due to officiate in Germany, was withdrawn by the FA yesterday, though he has strenuously denied any wrongdoing. 'I am willing to cooperate because I have done nothing wrong,' he said. In addition, the claims are highly embarrassing for the wealthy car manufacturing Agnelli family, which owns Juventus and whose members have pointedly distanced themselves from the lurid revelations. Juventus' share price went down because of the crisis, crashing by 10 per cent on Thursday. The Agnelli family - involved in another recent scandal when heir to the empire Lapo Elkan was hospitalised after overdosing on cocaine in the Turin apartment of two transsexual prostitutes - instructed the Juventus board to resign en masse on Thursday afternoon. There have been calls for a parliamentary inquiry into the scandal, which is likely to happen. 'There needs to be a total clean-up, to clear out what's bad,' said Francesco Totti, the Roma and Italy striker. Only last Tuesday Franco Carraro, the FA chief, memorably told reporters: 'I have complete faith in the judiciary. I am calm.' That evening, tape transcripts were leaked suggesting that Carraro and Moggi worked closely together. The following morning Carraro quit, soon followed by refereeing directors Pier Luigi Pairetto and Luigi Bergamo. They had apparently been heard discussing with Moggi which referees to allocate to Juventus games, and joking over expensive watches received as gifts. Bergamo was also dumped from Uefa's refereeing committee. Carraro's deputy, Innocenzo Mazzini, then quit, leaving Italy with no top official to represent their FA in Germany. Naples magistrates are looking into 19 Serie A matches last season, when Juventus won the title under Fabio Capello, the coach who is increasingly likely to exercise a contractual option to end his contract a year early. 'I want to get out of this country,' is the message Capello has been circulating recently. Investigators have used sanctioned phone taps for more than a year in probing Moggi, who is believed to be at the epicentre of a secretive group who 'constructed an association to influence the entire system of Italian professional football in the interests of Juventus and other companies'. This is a reference to GEA World. Finance police in Rome - apparently unbeknown to the Naples investigators - had themselves been tracking the activities of GEA World for months. It is alleged that GEA World intimidated players by warning them they needed to be on the agency's books if they wished to move to a big club. Alessandro Nesta, who transferred from the financially crippled Lazio to AC Milan three years ago, ditched his agent to join GEA. Most of Moggi's enemies appear too shellshocked to rejoice at his downfall. But one man who was cheering was Luciano Gaucci, ex-owner of Perugia, who feels vindicated for his past criticism of Moggi's methods. News of a fat man in a Hawaian shirt drinking champagne on a tropical beach provided the most surreal moment of a strange week: Gaucci himself is currently in Santo Domingo as a fugitive from Italian justice over financial charges relating to his former club. Reflecting the fear and suspicion throughout the upper echelons of Italian football, a well-placed source insisted on anonymity yesterday when he said: 'If true, this could be the most serious scandal in the entire history of Italian football. The sheer extent of alleged corruption is much deeper than any of us ever imagined. It shows it is not a one-off case, it is systemic. 'But, at the same time, this represents a great opportunity to clean things up once and for all.' 'If true, this could be the most serious scandal in the history of Italian football' Under investigation: a police officer at Juventus HQ and referee De Santis; fugitive Gaucci; main man Luciano Moggi; and goalkeeper Buffon And as a postscript; Inter are still a bunch of horrible, cheating c****
Guest 70400 Posted May 14, 2006 Posted May 14, 2006 In other news, Juve won the 29th championship today -- largely deserved. It would be a travesty if they take *this one* away from them.
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