Andy @ Allerton

This is a picture of Vic with Kev, Dave and Marjo at the YNWA meet-up in 2004 I think it was

Just heard about this today after talking to Mike. Absolutely devestated. Vic was an amazing fella and one of the most intelligent people I've ever met. I hadn't had a chance to see him recently and this is terrible terrible news Gutted.

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You can still laugh at them. They still expect to win the league and expect to be regarded as the best team in the land.

Can Sterling Mignolet

Ah. But have you tried to beat Stoke on a wet and windy Tuesday night in the rain?

Liverpool has 'traditionally' been a club that has started very slowly. I'd say judge the man across the whole season. We still are in all competitions and within touching distance of fourth. As I said, not sure panicking is going to help the club much. We've made the choice of manager and he's made the choice of players he believes will fit his system in time. It all really comes down to time. After such a great season last season, it seems churlish to bin the man after just one bad season in charge because expectations are unrealistic and through the roof.

I honestly think that if we bin Rodgers after 10 games then we can kiss goodbye to challenging for anything for the forseeable future. The competition is too strong and the clubs around us would rub their hands in glee as more instability wrecks the club.

You might be right. I simply choose to try and be positive. I might be talking s**** and I might be deluded. But I've been patient for long enough to give Rodgers a chance and I've been patient for long enough to see that some players might be struggling with a club the size of Liverpool and some simply aren't old or experienced enough. It's certainly possible that they aren't good enough and it's possible that they never will be. But they might. I've seen flashes of brilliance from some of them and I doubt there are many people after last season that would have argued against building a squad for the club. All these things can certainly be a gamble. There are no guarantees and there is a lot of competion at the top.

You've (presumably) been watching LFC for decades. We've got close here and there but to think (That some loons seemed to) that after one season of astonishing success - we'd just automatically continue it and win the league and 'Champions' League at a canter when we had to install a squad - is just really surreal. I've seen many false dawns for well over two decades and I've seen progress and regression. We have no automatic God-given right to be up there and at the top - we've lost that right over two decades of not being the top team in the land and slipping out of Europe and off the pitch issues such as nearly going bankrupt and having frauds wreck the club. But. Despite all that - we seem to have made some progress and overall you can see bits and bobs that are OK. Yes we're going on a duff run. Yes we need to improve. Yes the manager needs to learn and do better. Yes the players need to learn and do better. But we have these players here and the main thing they need is time. Time is the important thing because it requires patience and that patience needs support. Lots of work to do. Things possibly going to get worse before they improve. May well even drop out of the top four. But the important thing is what happens in the next 5 or 10 years. Not a single season. I'm just trying to look long term and trying to see the positives. Age isn't the only important thing which is why age and experience are important. Also the positions a player is in - age is also an asset because that brings experience. Personally I don't think playing a few seasons for a club like Southampton means that a player is automatically able to do a job at a massive club like Liverpool instantly. Unless you're saying that Southampton and Liverpool are pretty much the same as each other - in which case I can understand your point of view - but dont' agree with it. I think we're still a 'big club' and I think some players have been caught in the spotlights a bit with the exposure and expectation placed on them.