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He came on today against Arsenal to day a job when they were down to 10 men, for those 25 minutes he was diabolical. How does he expect to start games if he plays like that?? Reckon Rafa has marked his card down for the exit come the summer.

Regarding the substitutions and their lateness ... i reckon he weighed up the Hull counter attacking threat..considering this team scored 3 goals at old toilet 2 of them in the last 15 minutes and had United hanging on near the end.. no reckon Rafa wanted controlled attacking pressure on their goal while holding our shape. Don't forget Alonso and Samii had to take 2 yellow cards in the last 5 minutes to stop their break out into our half with no cover.

I never said he was beyond question what I said was at the end of the season we would be able to judge better. I never said we can't discuss his match decisions and tactics. But a balanced discussion would be no harm besides the knee jerk reaction or toys thrown out of the pram reaction we get from some here

People need to get a grip and appreciate how good manager we have in Rafa. Judge his tactically decisions over the full season in May

86 points ... get to that by end of this season and we might be just be league winners.

IMHO I think the key to all this is too look at the loans from the banks point of view in the current climate. Currently banks are trying to drive down their loan / assets ratio, not giving out mortgages/loans, cancelling companies overdrafts, and trying to get as much cash in as possible. But Banks are definitley telling companies do not miss your loan or interest payments. Again all about getting cash in. For the £350M loan, the club current valuation is still close if not higher to the loan amount, so in that sense RBS wouldn't have to write down the loan value to the club valuation on their books. We are not talking here about a double hit for the banks of loan / asset negative equity and lenders inability to meet the payments.The club is an attractive asset to potential investors and could even be more attractive if the banks force a quick sale. Would the banks want the negative publicity if G&H miss their payments and went to the courts and put it into administration? I doubt they would unless all options are exhausted, ie sale of the club as I cannot imagine G&H not talking to the banks about their inability to meet loan payments. In that sense I would imagine the banks have told the two carpetbaggers you have until at most mid summer to find a buyer yourselves or option 1 we are calling in the loans and putting the club into administration or option 2 the perhaps more likely the bank themselves lining up some of their client investors to take over the club. And forcing G&H to accept the offer that the RBS lined up investors offer. So from that viewpoint would not potential investors, if the 2 couldn't find a buyer, would they not be talking to the banks and saying that potential bad debt you have in Liverpool FC any chance you "persuade" G&H to sell to us or else you threaten to call in the loan. The Banks won't lose out on this loan deal, G & H will get their fingers burnt , but how the club comes out of this .....

If we had money, which we don't seemingly we badly need 4 full backs. I don't see now in hindsight why we shipped out Finnan & Riise, they might have being no longer first choice if we had got in better players but Dossena & Degen are not Liverpool standard. Dossena is a complete waste of €7Million

Dossena and Degen are not Liverpool standard , and should be shipped out. In fact all 4 full backs are going to cost us dear this season especially considering how important modern full backs are.

He must not be too impressive in training so, even when fit.

Yes, noted that too, looks leaner and fitter

I wonder is Lucas going to be detailed to pick up Barry....

Good move for us if we offloaded Veronin to Nantes

True ... so true

Still s**** performance tonite from him

oh why didn't we sell Kuyt to Hamburg .... another lazy touch... so s****

Very true .... Kuyt is not working hard like last year ... 2 full backs offering nothing , no width from Kuyt and Bennayoun. Wrong team , wrong tactics, we are bad, unless we get serious dose of luck we are going to be out of the CL tonight

Rafa said he wanted leaders . winners in the team , so Barry and Keane both Captains of their current clubs... good profesional recruits if they happen.

Heard during the medical they discovered he had syphilis....

Looking at these stats and the others Barry's game has improved a lot in the 3 years while Alonso has more or less stagnated, so perhaps it isa good time for Alonso to move on for the right price.

Well said ! Whats the point in having forum rules if nobody is obeying them! The pointless Essien - Gerrard chat should be in the general football forum.

Alves is going to MUFC by all accounts, plus Lahm , thats their new full backs for next season plus Evra Silvestre must be on teh way out Neville is fecked by all accounts

Okay, slightly worried now about our financial situation, looks like vultures are circling. Concerned when I heard Xabi was available for €20M , with Madrid being the possible location, then Inter threw in a bid for Gerrard and now Chelsea in for Torres, it seems that the big European clubs know our cashflow is not the best , especially europes big clubs contacts and relationships being the fish bowl that it is. It seems that £50M we borrowed to buy Torres and Babel is going to cause us grief unless we get somebody in fast to guarantee our debts, ie DIC

FA cup in hindsight was trophy we really threw away

No Xabi in todays (spurs) squad... I believe he wants to stay but looks like offers from Spain are too good to turn down