The champions league is arguably the more prestigious tournament. Should the people in charge of Manutd or Arsenal not expect more? Them having good premiership records actually strengthens the argument that their relative failure in Europe should give grounds for concern.
Who the f*** trusts them? That's only because they are s*** owners. If they had proven themselves not to be lying t***s, then it wouldn't be. The answers are only obvious because they are so crap.