I'm not, and have never slated or said a bad word against Houllier. I'm talking about the similarities between the situations. Look at Everton forums or talk to Everton fans, and they're split right down the middle as a group. Half think Moyes should go, the other half think he can turn it around. Half think he's taken the team as far as he can go, others think as he's done the job beforehand, he can find that form again. It's the Liverpool fans opinions on Houllier in a microcosm. Of course Houllier brought us far more trophies then Moyes could ever dream of doing for Everton, but it's all relative. After so long in the wilderness (I'm 22, I grew up during the Souness years) to win the Treble, was fantastic. For Everton after so long fighting relegation, to finish 4th and get into Europe was an immense achievement. Ok you can put our achievements in a cabinet and take pictures of them, but you see what I mean.