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agree with that, and if i'm honest I don't think its worth worrying over. Benitez won't allow any deal for Owen blow all his funds for his other targets. While some on this board are going ape, i'm just slightly irritated by the way Madrid seem to be playing us.

Villa knew Milan Baros wanted to play for them and so were able to offer less than Lyon. Its simmilar in the situation with Michael Owen/Madrid/Newcastle. He wants to play for us so we should negotiate hard. One thing is for sure...the price will be somewhere between £10 and £15 million

As a point of negotiation with Madrid I think Parry and co will be talking about the figure Madrid paid last year and offering a simmilar amount. OK maybe we should pay a bit more because he's developed a little as a player, but not 5 or 7 million pounds more. If he doesn't want to go to Newcastle then we, and Owen, are in the box seats and it should be just as it was last summer when he would only go to Madrid.

"It appears Real owe us £4M, this figure has been used. If this is true we could offer, say £6M now and £5M next season, this and the £4M they owe us????." Thats a s*** deal for us Dave ! Effectively paying Madrid about £7 million net to have Owen for one season.

Useless

Ujanicka b******ov has a little something extra about him

The word over in French France is that Rafa is going to cut short the loan agreement. Marseille aren't keen to hang on to him. Maybe Rafa can bring the best out of Bruno.

its not a rumour

My thoughts exactly. Welsh and Potter don't have enough experience and Biscan has hardly played. Hamman and Gerrard gives us hardly any options and limits our tactics. OK, Xabi will be back in a month or two but there's a lot of games to play and we could do with another experienced player in the middle.

where is the original Bigley/Spectator thread ?

Thanks stevie, i've used that to contact my local, Tory MP Dear Mr Graham Brady, I write to draw your attention to the hurtful comments about the people of Liverpool made by the editorial team at the Spectator. The Editor, Mr Boris Johnson, is sure to be an embarrassment to you and other decent members of your party. I wonder how you all feel when the man gets up to speak or is featured on television as a 'village idiot' character. Do you despair at how badly out of touch he will make the Conservative party seem to the majority of voters ? I have sent the following letter to Mr Johnson and copied it to Michael Howard as he is a self-professed Liverpool supporter. I urge you to speak to the man and ask for an apology and, more importantly that he educates himself about the facts of the Hillsborough disaster and also the genuine good character of the people of Liverpool. I'm sure you will agree that the people of this country deserve to be treated with respect especially by our elected representatives in parliament. What are voters to think when one of our MPs puts his name to a vicious smear against a whole city of people ?

I can see you were probably a floating voter for the next election Cobs. This incident has probably made the Tory vote a less attractive option for you. I dread the elections....who on earth can we vote for nowadays. Green ?

copy your emails to howardm@parliament.uk as a Liverpool fan, it will be interesting to see if he makes any comment.

I write to you because I am deeply offended by remarks made in your Spectator article, 'Bigley's fate'. On the 15th April 1989 I was a 16 year old boy at a football match at Hillsborough between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest. The tragedy of that day scarred me and many other people deeply. On that day there were no 'drunken fans who tried to mindlessly fight their way into the ground' as you claim, and that was certainly not mentioned as a cause in Lord Justice Taylor's report on the tragedy. Perhaps you are suggesting that Lord Justice Taylor thought it would be easier to blame the police than a lot of 'mindless drunken fans'. Had you bothered to consult the report or seek the testimony of anyone who had been present on that day you would know that drunkeness played no part in the deaths of those 96 supporters, many of whom were children. The inadequate features of the stadium and incompetent policing were the reasons for the deaths of those people and for the ongoing pain of the survivors and families of the dead. I realise that little of what I say on this matter will get through to you and make any impression on your prejudiced view of people in Liverpool and so I will copy this email to the leader of your party and ask that he seeks a public apology and retraction from you. Michael Howard is, after all, a Liverpool supporter himself and may be interested to know why you have chosen to smear the population of one of the countries most great cities. I await your response, Graham Jones

just had a look on the spectator site and you have to subscribe to view it. The article is listed on the front page without an authors name.

f***, did Kelvin McKenzie write that!

what did Trevor Hicks say Kev ? Kev ? I mean Vic...

This whole thing stinks to high heaven. They have time to negotiate multimillion pound deals with reebok and sit around their tables in plush offices but they haven't the guts to show some support to some fans in their hour of need. I'm disgusted with Moores, Parry, the board of directors after reading that. I hope Moores considers his position at the end of the season because a different chairman might be the only way for the HJC to get the recognition it deserves. I'd be very interested to know what Steve Morgan's take on this is...or if he is of the same opinion as the rest of them.