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Nando is being dominated so far.

Momo is FULL of energy, and playing well. Stevies a little subdued out wide though.

Harry looks sharp.

Fair call. I feel bad. I'm shutting down winamp now. Then I'm going to church to beg forgiveness.

Carrick. Class act. AWFUL Haircut.

Got it. Thanks boys.

Anfield_Fox - What's the chance of posting the Winamp URL in this thread. I don't have priveleges to PM you.

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Thanks for pointing this out, mate.

Cheers everyone - I do now remember him playing for Swansea for a year or so, yeah. I'm only asking about him because he was one of only two players (if I'm right) with Tommy Smith that won the League with Shanks and then the European Cup with Bob. We all know some of the stories about Tommy but not so much about Cally. Was he Player of the Year as well? In '74?

I've just rang Michael Fish. You're right - it was snowing. Nonehteless, he was left out of the lineup wasn't he? Although I think he may have been (the only) sub? Maybe Bob thought that he couldn't play at Wembley and Rome in the space of four days?

Is the most obvious wind up in the history of all forums or ......?

H_R, it's simpler than that. We never used to call for Managers to resign becuase since most of us were young, young children the Managers in charge of our club (and my memory means Shankly, Bob, Joe, Kenny....) all knew, irrevocably WHAT they were doing. Unfortunately, Souness was (I'll be kind here) unsure or unable to impose what he wanted and that was when real public opinion began to be voiced openly. I'm not trying to say it was just "better in the old days" (maybe you weren't referring to me anyway .. ), what I was trying to determine is when (and why) it started, and the perception that it's recent is wrong in my opinion.

It's borne out of the frustration you feel when we're as far away from ever of getting to (and this is important ...) where we once WERE. . We were higher up than any football club had ever been or will ever be in this country. When it started to go wrong, in or around the resignation of King Kenny in the early nineties I think we fell into shock, quite frankly. Souness to some extent had to deal with the frustrations of fans so close to the success we had. Allied to some dreadful decisions that he made on and, famously, off the pitch, it meant that the fans immediately turned against him. The "seeds" of what your alluding to here, mass-opinion among fans definitely started to grow around this time. Roy Evans was given more latitude because he was "one of us", and he played a style which we wanted, but on reflection, he failed too. By now though, because it was "Nice Roy" in charge the fans didn't openly revolt. Instead there was almost an acceptance that ManU had become so strong they couldn't be caught with Roy in charge. A kind of torpor among the fans had set in. In the first half of Ged's reign hope returned without real belief. In the second half of his tenure, he made some poor decisions, but didn't have the guts to accept he was wrong. For Liverpool fans this loss of grip on reality meant that frustration, real frustration bordering on anger started to rise again. Rafa made a poor start, but his dignity was never in doubt. On the whole, the core support stayed silent (ish) but I'm sure were a little worried under the surface - especially with Chelsea sailing off into the wide blue yonder on a boat made of Gold (that floats, obviously). I was guilty (for the first time ever, publicly) of stating my frustration with what I thought was his inability to grasp the way teams played in the Premiership. It's well documented that I was wrong, and I withdrew my comments WELL before we won old big ears. What I learned in that time was that to not give a manager time to build is THE single worst thing a supporter can do. As for the board? - I'd say we're in "Roy Evans" territory here. They are "one of us - Moores overtly so", but some fans are getting quietly frustrated by the progress we are (not) making in some areas. The fact is that Parry appointed Rafa and we all know what happened - we can't take that away from him, and fair play. But there ARE answers we need to big big questions about our future, and the worry is (because we don't KNOW for sure, none of us do) that Rafa is frustrated by the lack of answers as well. And if we don't have Benitez, we don't have anything. None of it is true of course, but as humans we worry. It's the way it is.

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The Mirror gave Crouch a 7 and Cisse (who at the very least passed for Gerrard to score) a 5. Crouch stank on Saturday.

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I'll be pretty cheesed off. I think the performance / attitude of the players is important to monitor tomorrow. We treated last weeks dropping of points against Bolton Troglodytes like it was the loss of a Cup Final. A good sign in many ways. But what was NOT a good sign was that we were lucky enough to draw and some of the players (Sami, Steve Finnan, Carra, Crouch) looked absolutely whacked. Some (Most?) of these will play tomorrow, and I'm a little concerned about that.

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