out of all this, the thing that leaps out at me is the failure of Moores and Parry to indulge us in a bit of PR if they feel they can defend their position why don't they publish some reports and post them somewhere so that we can see what's going on? so we can see exact details of investment deals and transfar sagas tha have gone nowhere don't tell me, it's because they shouldn't have to, what with them being Chairman and Chief Exec of LFC, why should they have to pander to the rank and file supporters? If anyone thinks that then they should refrain from piping up, EVER, about any commercial issue. I remember from history lessons, FDR president of the USA in the great depression of the 30s; he also had a tough job on his hands so he broadcast 'fireside chats' on the radio to tell the nation what he was doing to alleviate matters and bolster morale.