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Unfortunately I havent got my head round this multi-quoting, and I dont think this is going to get us anywhere if I did. I stand by my orignal point ( accepting I'd got the timespans wrong). I doubt you and I are going to agree on how much longer Kenny should be given. I believe that he will take the club forward, you obviously have your doubts.

Is that really the best you can do ? Shall we re-focus on your intial complaint tha RFH should have had more time ? Give over Bailo.

Who was whining you clown ? I made a point about patience, you've chosen to make an a*** of yourself out of it. Dont let me stop you though, you're doing such a good job of it.

You're making yourself look more stupid than I'd given you credit for. Its far from pointless pointing out the time that Ferguson was given as it demostrates that if a club believes in its manager then he will be given time, and by club that should also include fans. Interesting that you're contradicting yourself about RFH, as it was you who questioned why he had been let go so soon.

They're facts ( although the 26 yrs is subject to my ailing memory). Think it was evident to anyone that had ever seen football that Hodgson was not the man for the job. Someone else decided Rafa had taken the club as far as he could.

The most salient info I've retained through this period was from the Anfield Wrap podcast - Ferguson finished 14th in his 4th season. Ferguson didnt win anything until his 6th season. This was at a time when Utd were going through a 26 (think its 26 yrs, could be wrong ) year period without winning the league. People would be well advised to remember this when reviewing Kenny's achievements this season.

Sky Sports and the written press are not the be all and end all of football, they're staggering around trying to validate their existance. Kenny knows he has an obligation to meet with Sky, and he puts the minimum effort in to fulfill that obligation. Kenny also knows that if he wants to get his message across to the fans, he can do that most effectively through LFC tv, or the website, and that message wont be subject to the normal press or Sky spin. Given the personal attacks he has experienced this season, I fully understand his attitude. Perhaps a summer break will do him good, and he may feel more inclined to be less confrontational next season. Its worth remembering that those same clowns at Sky and in the written press didnt ever give Rafa the respect he was due either.

Excellent stuff, didnt know anything about Klein before reading that. Thanks for the link.

Was always going to be difficult once they got the first goal. Sloppy defending for the 2nd and they just sat in from there on. We've played worse than tonight and won other games. There's no doubt that we've got problems creating in the final third, and City's tactics massively exposed our shortcomings. Positives - thought Carroll had a good first half, Spearing & Henderson did well. Gerrard continued his recovery. Still think we can get through in the Carling cup. Be really surprised if Downing doesnt get dropped.

I dont think you can see much at all then.

Except he's not of course. Apparently Sunderland fans seem to be under the impression that we're in for Cattermole, now he is absolutely hopeless.

Mark Noble from West Ham would be decent cover in midfield.

Completely agree with this.

I'm not advocating this Gomez, but if you wanted to buy the club and you didnt think Benitez was one of the best managers in Europe, and you were also aware of his popularity, getting the current owners to shoulder the blame would be a very shrewd move. Just because something isnt popular doesnt make it "not the best thing to do." As I said before, I'm searching for some comfort in this shambles. Optimism seems a distant concept with regard to the club at the minute.

Why - thought that was fairly obvious to be honest, would be a shrewd move. As for keeping things in house, you're probably right although there have been a number of statements from Purslow, Boughton and the two clowns that they had buyers interested - I dont pretend to know who these people are, and know even less about what negotiations are ongoing. I'm not convinced that the perfect new owners are out there at the minute - it goes without saying any change in ownership would be a fantastic and massive improvement on the current pair, but I'm not overly optimistic that the new owners we hope for even exist.

Bear with me as I'm trying to draw a shred of comfort from the shambles, but IF you wanted to buy the club and wanted your own manager in, surely you'd get the previous owner to do your dirty work for you ?

Genuine question - is there any chance that Rafa's continued employment as manager was proving an obstacle to selling the club ?

Portsmouth, Wolves, Reading, Sunderland, Wigan. Its not a coincidence, its not luck.