I always wonder what the players and fans abroad think when, after watching the EC and FA Cup final, and the chaos that Gerrard caused in those games, they then see England and he's sitting back behind Lampard and curbing his instincts to run rampage. Those players who played for Milan must be loving it. When Barca scored their second against Arsenal, one of my mates - who doesn't support any team and was wanting Arsenal to win - said to me "The problem is, they don't have Gerrard". Lampard doesn't have that affect, and Gerrard's not gonna be able to from the holding role. Cos he's not playing the same role for England as he does for us, he seems a lot more subdued and that makes people say that he doesn't play well for England, whereas before Lampard was playing for England, Gerrard was the main midfielder, and England didn't lose with him in the team for ages when he played. Edit - a complete mish mash of points there. Sorry about that.