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No by the time i asked for Lampard's stats since he started scoring i'd stopped comparing him and platt. Hence my initial concession in the first sentence that you were right about the stats. I just wanted to know what Lampard's stats were since he got better because i have a passing interest in England winning It's a sad indictment of either the judges or modern footballers that the second and third best midfielders aren't complete enough to play together. Of course if i had to pick one because they continue to flounder together then i'd pick Gerrard as he's better. Posts merged: that's cos schole had mentally retired for about the last 3 years of his england career. Where did he go?

No. What I think it shows is the level he's performing at now and will probably perform at for a while now he's matured. It's the same way I think finnan will maintain the level he's been at since the start of last season and his first season form wasn't the real finnan

It was done as a request and it's just an accurate representation of his effectiveness

thanks I thought it'd be something like that. I think that's the level he'll probably perform at consistently for england for the next 5 years if allowed to have that role where someone else is doing the holding for him like gerrard. Not that i'm eager to forget all the games he didn't score in. I'm not a great lover of him and i'm not his agent

alright platt's is much better then around 1 in 2 whereas Lampard's is 1 in 4. I'd be interested to see what Lampard's record is like since he started scoring for england

I'm not undermining Platt's record i just think that lampard is a better player. He passes better, covers more ground and can put in the occassional tackle. Aren't their international records similar? As I think we both agree scholes was by far the superior player. He's still only 31 isn't he. I thought he played really well v west ham but apart from that he hasn't been at it. I didn't see the p'mouth game though

It was 11million and he was shyte beyond belief half way through his first season it was only ranieri that kept him at the club. the fans would have had him out. I think he was probably the most consistent midfielder last year in the season but the league but the season before that it was Gerrard imo

He's not as good as scholes at his peak but he's definately better than Platt. Posts merged: Why? Why does their entertainment value determine whether or not they're a great side. Surely it's about repeated success. That's what they haven't had yet and that's why you can't call them a great side. You're on very dodgy ground with your definition Posts merged: he was there before abramovich came along. Is he meant to leave. Are all those who supported chelsea before meant to turn up at Craven cottage every other week instead. I still think over and beyond everything the hatred towards Lampard comes from the fact that he tapped up Gerrard (big deal our captain could have told him where to go) and the fact that for some reason some think he's a better player than gerrard.

Saturday, 10 December 2005 Birmingham 1v1 Fulham Blackburn 2v1 West Ham Bolton 2v1 Aston Villa Charlton 1v1 Sunderland Chelsea 3v0 Wigan Liverpool 1v1 Middlesbrough Newcastle 1v2 Arsenal West Brom 1v2 Man City Sunday, 11 December 2005 Man Utd 3v0 Everton Monday, 12 December 2005 Tottenham 2v0 Portsmouth

re NR: you wouldn't take terry, gallas, robben or SWP?

i think it's the gerrard factor. Essien and makalele are worse for me

that's not praising him. it was describing him and his performance. If you want to see praise then find me a didi hamann thread relating to last night

I thought some of Lampard's passing was neat although he gave the ball away twice shockingly. Got in between our lines well a couple of times. You can see why he scores so many he must have had about 6 shots and he was no way offside. He doesn't scare me as a player though. Not enough in his armoury

It's not that funny

Ban the initial poster

still pissed about the podium

everyone knows what comes next

as my little cousin would say "awwww man"

My memory of garcia in that game is him running clean through on goal, rounding the keeper only then to realise he'd forgotten to take the ball. i though kewell was up front with baros anyway not Garcia Posts merged: but according to almost everyone on this site height matters not a jot in a cb so rafa is clearly wrong Posts merged: I can't make up my mind between Zenden and riise. When i watch Zenden i think Riise should play and when i watch Riise i think zenden should play

Gerrard signed that new contract because he had just captained his team to the biggest one of them all. No promises were needed. We don't know that he's conned rafa. If rafa does feel like he's been messed about then i expect him to walk. What evidence is there that he is though?

Now that Owen isn't coming here, how can you read stuff like and deny that there was a "spectre of michael owen" hanging round the club. there's other stuff too. I hope it's been removed now but he's got that bloody clause.

When Gerrard signed for Chelsea

I want to shoot myself for pointing that out. Look what this place has done to me

invariably we won't though. They did alright in a few home games but away i didn't like it. Hamann has to do things which aren't natural to him. See that b'bun away game we should have pissed on them but they lost control of the middle of the park. Emerton running josemi ragged didn't help as well. Sissoko seems a natural gerrard replacement and it's gerrard who's missing. He's also been our second best player since his arrival so why take him out. Posts merged: that's true but we threaten to go nowhere sometimes. look at the game v TNS away before gerrard came on

I don't like alonso and hamann paired. too static. no drive. either or.