Come on Kev... I am guessing you have never presented designs to a client then... At the end of the day, design will always bring out opinions as the old chestnut 'everyone is a designer' rears it's ugly head. The guys who have worked on this should be commended for their efforts in getting it off the ground and maintaining the push to get it finished (and I thought I did say something like that in my first post) but as a senior designer who worked for Vodafone 4 months ago, I have a strong opinion, and dont mind expressing it on a 'forum'. I am not going into an excessive crit on this particular piece of work because it is nigh on finished and I am sure I cannot / nor would not want to change the process and design at this stage. This is also the first time I have seen it, so apologies to anyone I may have offended and if aware of these in the future Armin, i will be happy to get involved. See my work for the HJC wristbands for evidence of my willingness to contribute - not destroy.