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worded badly. i meant players who were compromised in quality, ie arent top notch (clichy, downing, adam, marveaux etc) because the fees will be lower.

Haha. Im giving my opinion, what else am i going to say apart from "I think"? Its a message board for christs sake, its all about opinions. baffling post.

Well thats nonsense. Also, please stop with the name calling. I think Henderson was our top target, hence the fee. After that I dont think we're fussed as long as we fill positions with a certain level of quality.

i reckon its about a 3-4, where 1 equals no money.

Maybe we've ran out.

Yes, particularly when Johnson moves back to right back. Allows great balance.

the whole crux of my argument was that noone who could improve our first 11 would be interested.

adam johnson instead of kuyt? marginal improvement. the rest are speculative punts, and I dont think I could consider any of them to be realistic. All opinion of course.

no i didnt. i said we couldnt attract anyone who would improve our first 11.

i still havent heard any viable alternatives, with the exception of Mata.

you never know. but clichy is a player that improves us in any case because he is a left back. it doesnt lend credence to any counter argument that suggests that any players better than our first 11 want to sign. he isnt even that good really. maybe city dont view us as rivals as after a 7th and 6th place finish. I think theyd settle for about £15M personally.

Bingo. This is great.

Whats wrong with that statement? I dont, and I do know that most players prize either CL football or money over everything, neither of which we possess in the same amount as others around us. "this s*** about a bigger club" - yes. other clubs are "bigger" at the minute because theyre richer and offer higher levels of competition. you can argue all you want about the dalliances of the word "bigger" but a lot here offer a blinkered view. im just being realistic. you have no idea hed cost that.

Milner would be for a fair fee. Hendersons was not. We've obviously got the drag of a good league, but we're not up there with Utd, Arsenal or Chelsea.

such as?

Most foreign footballers go on the here and now rather than what happened 30 years back. A "mythical standing" nor unicorns are going to make us any more appealing to players. dont be a dimwit with that "manc fan" nonsense. If you cant handle my opinions stop replying or trying to provoke me.

Of course im not mad. This is a reasonable opinion that is being jumped on by the haters. By first team, I meant our top 11,the 11 that would be out there for all games if possible.Obviously tactical decisions may be made but to say no club has a best "first 11" is silly. Thats what i was referring to. I dont know why you keep going on about replacements because that was never my point. My point was that noone we can sign, who is interested in signing, will actually improve the first 11 so anyone we do sign should be considered as doing so to ensure a well rounded squad. Suarez plays from wide to inside, drifts, whatever label you want to put on him - hes still one of our top forwards and needs his name somewhere on the piece of paper. For a winger to come in means either him or kuyt replaced. As for your last paragraph - you struggle because there arent many. Names dont pop out of the air for people in the club just because theyre at the club either - well known established names are the only players that drastically improve out first 11. I honestly cannot think of anyone better out there than what we have at CB who would be willing to sign. Genuinely cant. Left backs are excluded from this, because I admitted that was a weak area and we need to fix that of course. Out of that list you provide only Mata is really credible. Aguero will go to a bigger club, as will hazard, and I cant see Honda signing at all. Mata? Fine, Ill give you that one. But even then I wouldnt be surprised if we're gazumped by City. Your last few lines are cute but ultimately delusional. Mythical? This isnt lord of the rings boyo. Why am I a WUM? Because you cant comprehend a different opinion to the masses? At least I know what I think and stick to my guns - Im yet to see much to convince me that our first 11 can be improved upon at this point in time.

Ill give this figure when people give me names of people who slot right into our first 11 and actually improve it.

I never gave a figure on how much Id pay? Youve just pulled that out of nowhere really. But id sign him, yes, for his ability to cover lots of positions.

I never said that only the first team was important. Christ, can people stop trying to turn this into a witch hunt and actually read things? Im saying that of players we can sign none of them really improve what our first 11 would be, hence anyone we are signing will be more for the benefit of a well rounded squad than anything else. No? I wouldnt say he was. Hes just another over hyped english wannabe. Haha See you dont even know what youre arguing for or against here Thats precisely my point. Milner is someone we could probably attract but he doesnt improve that first 11 i set out. Therefore a signing like him is all about improving the "roundness" of the squad as a whole more than anything else.

Of course the cost is important. Like I said in my initial post on this, the only players that really improve our first 11 are top superstars. If the likes of Dann etc cost £15M how much is a top superstar going to cost. Its an addition to them not being interested. Still waiting to hear names btw.

Yeah? But theres a difference between Liverpool offering an extra 5k a week or whatever, which is what it would be realistically given mata's already large likely wage demands, and City offering 100k extra, or just meeting a ludicrous wage demand in the first place. completely different.

I have? The only club thats done so is city and thats because they offered massive wages. Again, im not talking about "options". I specifically mentioned "FIRST TEAM". Not squad, first team. Im eager to hear names of who is an improvement for these centre backs, especially when we have the likes of Cahill, Dann and Johnson all costing about £15M each.

Why are you mentioning squad players like Maxi, Ngog and Kyrgiakos? I specifically mentioned "first team" "first team" "first team" "first team" "first team". Name these two top drawer centre backs then. Name these two wingers that are better for the first team than Kuyt and Suarez. Name this creative midfield player that would sign for us and is an actual improvement upon Meireles. Another striker to compliment Carroll isnt really an issue here because i was talking about the "first team""first team""first team""first team""first team""first team". Names please.

If you have money falling out of your pockets, yes. But we dont have that, so no. Its not a difficult concept mate.