SkippyjonJones

or if we were to agree a deal with Madrid and Owen next week then one of the 4 could thenbe sold to another club...

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yeah I saw that - great stuff. although I laughed when one of them (didn't see who) had to put it up near their elbow as it was way too big for their wrists good on ya lads!!

Who are you and what do you want???

Anyone posting a message that says FACT in this area is liable to have the piss ripped out of them , thread deleted and close family members eliminated. It?s a rumour. Keep it in perspective please. Take offense to any mods action in closing down / editing of threads ? then please feel free to post your grievances in the feedback forum where it will be given appropriate consideration.

I think Jon Hall had a copy of it ? check with him.

Young Casey ? Just introduce it as by Pete Evo ? I?m sure he wouldn?t mind having his work read out at your school. And good luck!

I think I understand where you are coming from but f you extrapolate that angle then we should all forgive the Sun after their recent ?apology?. And that?s not a path I?m anywhere near ready to go down.

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And again and again we will respond with the Truth to balance their incorrect ?facts? and rebuttals of their opinion.

Morons who listen to years of lies about Hillsborough and Liverpool then join in attacking Liverpool and support an article that doesn?t portray Hillsborough truthfully. Why are you surprised?

You mean the sub-edtior!

*obviously too long for the BBC but I sent it to the spectator, Johnson and to Howard as well.* Bigley's Fate - a response. Dear Sir, It was with dismay that I read the opinion about Liverpool in magazine of which you are Editor. The use of Hillsborough as an analogy to the feelings expressed over the death of Mr Bigley is being met with a feeling of anger and disappointment. Simple little things could have been checked before this article went to print. Simple things such as the number of people who died at Hillsborough and even the reasons. Check the Taylor report which cleared the fans of blame. It renders the article worthless of anything other than an attack on the city of Liverpool which is nothing more than an opinion ? and a poor one at that. It appears as if the writer of the article does nothing more than dredge up some old memories of how Liverpool was perceived and marginalized by the media and then uses some half remembered news headlines to perpetuate those myths. Check your facts, do your research. The very basis of journalism. Instead the stance of your magazine is nothing more than sensationalism with a healthy dose of attacking a minority in order to get a nodding approval from a majority. Try visiting Liverpool. Try its restaurants, its pubs, its clubs, its shops, its history. Check out the museums, the art and , yes ? the people. The very people you attack in your magazine. The reality is far removed form the broad-brush image you choose to portray. The reality is a city that is vibrant, lively, friendly and welcoming. Maybe you don?t want to do this. Maybe, rather than appeal to new readers, you would rather pander to the bigot and ill informed idiots similar to the writer of the Bigley article. Truly your loss ? however do bear in mind that what is written will reach a wider audience than that which it targets. I live away from England at the moment and I have spent many hours defending Liverpool and the UK. Most of the defense has been necessary due to the ill informed wittering of media outlets such as yours that does not check facts and only writes of the Liverpool that it hears about in the media. The media feeding the media is nothing more than shoddy and cheap journalism and this article is clearly one of the experts in this field. Of course if you want some more facts about Hillsborough you could try this website http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/ or you could ask Liverpool fan and leader of your party ? Mr Howard, although I suspect that my suggestion will fall upon the fallow ground that is the collective thought process of anyone connected with the writing and publishing of the Spectator. Yours Sincerely,

Perhaps Liverpool Fan Mr Howard would care to have words with him.

No probs mate ? If I hadn?t misplaced the guys phone number then I?d be on the phone to TLC right now!! Words can?t describe what I?m thinking about his ethics.

I?ve contacted TLC and the BBC about this ? lets see what sort of reply the actions so far ? plus this one generates. I?ll keep you all updated. Mike

Cheers ? I need to know who produced it and if BBC worldwide are credited as well as The Learning Channel or The Discovery Channel.

OK ? I?ll hang on to ensure it?s the same programme before I let rip. If it?s a different program then we need to let rip anyway.

Can someone please record the shows and TELL ME who made them. I know who to contact if it?s the same program as the one TLC said they would change. I also need to know about the amount of footage and if it is inside or outside the ground and the commentary. If you don?t feel you can do this then that?s fine but I can?t act without finding out the right information. Anyone?. Sorry to ask.. You can contact me on mikeonthekop_no_spam_@hotmail.com if you want to keep this away from the forum. Thanks

Leo ? do you have any more information about the program Sporting disasters. See here RE TLC and their past If its the same program and the same footage then I have spme phone calls to make

Also what is the origins of the footage. As far as I am aware the only TV footage inside the stadium is owned by the BBC who have a very strict policy about what they will allow it to be used for. At least they do now.

If the Program was called Sporting Disasters and was produced by TLC / The Discovery Channel then please let me know in here. I have a letter from the director of programming at TLC who apologized for the content and context of the Hillsborough footage and withdrew it from the program. However there was only a very small segment about Hillsborough and football in that program. It sounds like this was something different.

I read this yesterday strangley enough. Makes for an interesting read ? especially as a lead in to part 2