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We rescued Mascherano from Westham, paid 18 million for him, paid his wages etc. So you think ok for him just to do one after all that, he is a decent player, apart from his passing, but he was rubbish last season because he didnt want to get an injury that would scupper a move away. But thats ok, we are only paying him thousands of pound a week to play for the club.

I hope so, the most over rated player we have had in a long time, did nothing last season. Also, he forgets that he was warming the bench at Westham because he was been kept out the team by Hayden Mullins. If we are offere more than 30 million get rid of the ungreatful argie.

I cant remember the exact details, I know FA cup final tickets are even more difficult to come by that any club final. But the point is that if all fans said stick the cup game up your ass because we wont get a cup final ticket if we get through, you watch how the allocations for cup final tickets would change. To be honest, if it wasnt for the fact I have had a season ticket for so long and i am not sure what would happen, i would say boycott season tickets. That would put the wind up the yanks.

Hello, sad case. I stopped going because I pay for a season ticket and go to cup games, then when you reach a final there is no ticket for you.

I have been boycotting domestic cup games since 2001 and european games since 2005.

Thats helpful, thanks for the debate, not!

Rafa's own short commings and pluses for him leaving No more Lucas and Masch as central midfield pair. He stuck with this all season despite the fact it only work a couple of times. he didnt believe in it himself, as each time we were losing he would pull Gerrard back into the middle. Also, he failed to understand that their is no point playing Lucas and Masch in 90% of our home games because the oppostion put 10 men behind the ball and hit it long.He couldnt man manage, ok, we knew what Pennant and Bellamy were like before we signed them, but he must have know what he was getting so why sign them and then say they have the wrong attitude? Also, we lost Crouch, Alonso, Keane and Arberloa because of his attitude and dealing with players.He would cut off his nose to spite his face, the old saying is that you didnt get rid of a player until you have a equal or better replacement. Why sell keane and rely on an 18 french kid, Keane played well for us, started to score goals and was involved in alot of the foward play. plus other i cant be bothered to go into.No more stupid cringe worthy interviews with the press, ok they are a*** holes, but his behavoiur lacked class. Ps. did any one notice how he became more and more withdraw in interviews once Kenny arrived back at the club? Was Kenny brought in to see what was happening and the result was bumping Rafa? If the club annouce Kenny as manager until a replacement is found then we will have our answer.He played the blame game to much, blamed the owners and played games in the press for leverage on a new deal and even his leaving package.He falls out with everyone, players and owners maybe you could understand, but he fell out with Paco?He bought to many make weights, why buy three crap players when you could get one good one.Rafas obsticals and good points Never give money at the write time, he wanted Alves, Silva, Milito and many others. Often ended up with third or fourth choice buys.He can spot good players.He is a good tactcian.The payers didnt nothing to help his cause, the team may have short commings, but apart from Renia, Zorba and Torres (when fit) the rest of the players were a disgrace.Players live in cloud cuckoo land, it must be difficult to deal with such absurdity. Mash said his form dropped because of the interest from Barc, he wants to remember were he was before Rafa picked him up, thats right, playing for those would beaters westham. He was only kept out of the team by the midfield genius of Hayden Mullins. If we an offer of over 20 million for him we should snap their hand off. Yossi says he expect to go to Chelsea, if Ancelotti needs a player that falls over alot and gives the ball way then Yossi is the man to go for, again if they offer more than we paid snapp their hand off.

Thanks, I hope so This may comeback on you because I am sure that Rafa has lost it, I hope I am wrong and he can get us to 4th spot and make the next season a great one. But unfortunately I think he is done and dusted at Liverpool, his eyes and body language says it all.

Well go and read that thread instead then you spanner, lol.

I agree, i think Rafa is a good man, but for whatever reasons he has lost 'it' at Liverpool. The thing that amazes me is the Yanks, usually those types of business men are ultra shrewd. They must know that getting rid of Rafa would cost about 12 to 20 million and that missing out on the champions league is about 25 to 40 million. But i think the problem they have is who can you get now, to be honest I would approach Kenny and say do it until the end of the season, you know the reaction of the players and support. I think installing Kenny would give that psychogical boost that everyone needs, plus it would be a great chance to rally for the cause. I suspect though that he might have been sounded out and said no.

Point is he is not helping to move the team in the right direction so what do you do. I think he cant be arsed and is making sure he doesnt knacker himself for the world cup, also the body language is saying "I am sick of playing with these clowns", thats not down to fitness or injections issues. To be honest I cant blame Gerrard for his attitude.

Totally agree, he dropped off around October when it was clear we were not going to challege.

Ok, its got to the point where i cant defend Rafa anymore and he has to go now, before we miss out on 4th spot. He has made to many mistakes with players, Crouch, Alonso and Keane are perfect examples of this. But the fact is his job is to manage, he buys the plays, picks the team and tatics, but he should also be able to manage the players. The last few weeks the application and attitude of the players has be awful, thats down to the manager. He is also to stubburn, i have watched him play Mascher and Lucas in the middle game after game, despite the fact it doesnt work. Final straw for me though has been Kuyt in the last 3 or so games, no matter how bad he is playing rafa keeps him on the pitch, until there is about 10 mins to go. The only problem is who to replace him with? who is available and could have an instant impact and maybe lead us to 4th place. I can only think of one man really.